Unions praise Trump on steel tariffs

Tariifs you refer to that haven't worked were implemented in a different geoeconomic environment. In the present we have been victimized by tarrifs put on us by other countries and have been steadily losing jobs and entire industries in large part due to those tarrifs. Trump is threatening to put tarrifs on those countries in an effort to get them to take their tarriifs off us. Everyone should read his book The art of the deal and you would have a better understanding of his motives.

 

So what.
I have said now a few times, D's are no better than R's.
And you rant about NAFTA, but not the presidents who tried to it passed. Being hypocritical.
There is no further reason to listen to anything you say about NAFTA.
Especially now, with tRUMP likely to take Mexico and Canada off the tariff table.

 

Hogwash and you know it.
The last tried industry wide was Bush II, it failed.
Obama has tariffs of China, that's why China is a small exporter of steel to the US.

Your position has become old and meaningless.

 

Threat of tarrifs being imposed as part of renegotiating trade deals is classic Trump. Imposing tarrifs on countries that heavily subsidize their aluminum and steel industries is also classic Trump. If you read his book you know his methods. Come in hot and heavy with a big club and back off in proportion to concessions made by your business or in this case political opponents. Like I said earlier everyone should read his book and then you would understand the way he thinks and the way he has successfully operated in business. Whether these same tactics will work in his new position remains to be seen but so far his economic results have been nothing less than spectacular so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

We are discussing one particular global economic system ie free trade with its associated trade agreements, which will of course have winners and losers (as you acknowledge); these trade agreements are notoriously difficult to negotiate because each nation has different strengths (and weaknesses) to bring to the negotiation.

However, not long ago people asserted that slavery was an essential part of economic "reality" - and were prepared to go to war to prove the point. In the event, they lost - and likewise my view of "harsh economic reality" is more open to enquiry, with a view to system improvement, than yours. So don't worry about offending me.

[BTW Keynes' 'clearing union' concept is an intriguing idea with relevance to persistent US deficits with China, though the world has changed much in the decades since his death].

 

Keynes clearing union was one of those utopian ideas in quest of fairness that wasn't and isn't workable in the real world. It's right up there with Bolivar's dreams of uniting the entire South American continent with all it's diverse cultures and people's into one country and to achieve this in a year or two.

 

You do not understand the meaning of the word "prove". Why should we believe you understand free markets and tariffs?

 

Conservatives Say Trade Tariffs Will Kill US Jobs and Ignite a Trade War
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He's already being talked back off the ledge. Erecting trade barriers is collapsing with strong opposition from conservatives and the American working man. The job killer is acquiring more holes than a school crossing sign next to a dixie shotgun jamboree.

"I wasn't worried. That Trump®Tower cleaning crew is fastidious."​

 

Let's put it this way, then:

Trump's tariffs show that the free-market, by itself, doesn't work.

 

Keynes a utopian?

Hardly, but he did realise that in international commerce we need some sort of global mechanism to facilitate cooperation, as a counterweight to self-interested competition, if we are to avoid trade wars, currency wars, and to ensure reasonable access to the world's resources by all nations.

 

Definition of utopian.

 

If it's both reasonable (in the sense of using the human-endowed capacity for reason), and do-able, as it is in an age of globally developing AI and IT, then it's not utopian.

We will see.

 

It's called the second coming. That's the only hope for your idea of how the world should work.

 

No doubt Keynes (if his eternal soul is indeed somewhere out there) is smiling at your identification of his clearing union concept with the second coming.

But the choices and change of attitude required are beyond the scope of this thread.
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Thanks for the discussion.

 

AFL-CIO boss Richard Trumka flounders against Trump's stellar record on labor

President Trump has given AFL-CIO union boss Richard Trumka everything he wants, and that presents a problem for him.

 

Going to be hard for union leadership to criticize the President that is actually helping them.

Obama told them these jobs were "never coming back".

 

Americans are used to paying Walmart prices.

If they can't afford products made the in USA then our economy will contract which is bad because we have a consumer driven economy.

The wealthy can do fine however a large part of our country will suffer.

Another Trump Fail ...........................

 

Americans are working more, and more products are being made here-like cars.

Unions seem to be on board.

 

President of AFL-CIO Richard Trumka Criticized Trumps record on helping the American Worker

Of course today on Labor Day Trump tore into the head Labor Person in the USA ........... but I'm sure Richard was wrong......

 

Like any rich man and despot, Trump hates unions and organized labor.
Always has, always will.

Enjoy Labor Day, Republicans. You don't deserve it.

 

Im neither rich nor a despot-and I despise unions.

In healthcare, I saw them protecting the incompetent.

In a profession where incompetence costs lives.

 

Trumka is now complaining that Canda is not in NAFTA anymore but claimed that NAFTA harms US workers a few short years ago. It’s amazing how D leaders take the side against US citizens time after time.

 

Why can't this top Union thug make up his mind? Which is it?

 

Happy Labor Day.



Supreme Court rules against public unions collecting fees from nonmembers


Conservatives on the Supreme Court said Wednesday that it was unconstitutional to allow public employee unions to require collective-bargaining fees from workers who choose not to join the union, a major blow for the U.S. labor movement.

The court, in a 5-to-4 decision, overturned a 40-year-old precedent, arguing that the rule could require workers to give financial support to public policy positions they oppose.

“States and public-sector unions may no longer extract agency fees from nonconsenting employees,” Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. wrote for the majority. “. . . This procedure violates the First Amendment and cannot continue.”

Justice Elena Kagan wrote for the dissenting liberals, objecting to a decision that she said would “wreak havoc” by undoing labor agreements throughout the country.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d32e182a3bc_story.html?utm_term=.93d56b67b739

 

They are just all lies and bullshit. It's truly amazing:

Trumka was called to speak on Labor Day by Fox News’s Chris Wallace about one of his old bugaboos, NAFTA, and it’s obvious he doesn’t quite know what to say:

He ends up mutter something that sounds a lot like he WANTS more NAFTA? That trade pact he’s hated for years and often said he wanted scrapped? Suddenly, he wants NAFTA. Talk about singing soprano. Let’s see him try to sell that to the hardhats.

Then he gets even more Clinton-globalista, by saying he wants a deal that “works” for all the workers of the NAFTA area – Canadian workers, Mexican workers and American workers, not just American workers alone. As if what’s good for one in a trade pact scenario doesn’t mean some give-ups from another. Let’s see him try to sell that one to the Caterpillar-boot brigades, too.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...s_against_trumps_stellar_record_on_labor.html