Trump Administration Sues California Over Immigration Laws

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  1. Your Best Friend

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    What an incredibly delusional and dishonest post! A state like California has not rejected federal immigration law?
    Where have you been while California becomes more and more and more illegal immigrant friendly?

    California has stopped cooperating with the federal government on every level, with regard to immigration. The willing disregard for federal immigration law goes far beyond simply not holding prisoners for ICE to show up. Still using Obama and Jeh Johnson's talking points, I see.
     
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    That states do not have the right to ignore supremacy clause...
     
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    Ha! Was President Dwight Eisenhower (of World War II fame) a Republican? Did President Dwight Eisenhower send FEDERAL TROOPS, including 1,000 members of the 101st Airborne Division to Little Rock, Arkansas to force the overturning of Arkansas state law?! :omg:

    Link: http://events.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0925.html#article

    Frankly, I wish that President Trump would do exactly the same thing in California, right now! Send in Federal Troops, throw all those hyperliberal, law-evading sons-of-bitches that run California state and city governments in jail, and start enforcing the LAW!

    I'm sure you would agree...(?) . :roflol:
     
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    And yet not one law cited that they have violated. You are now the fourth to reply in this manner. If the feds showed up at your house and told you to hold someone for them, feed them indefinitely at your expense and they'll get back to you, could they compel you to comply? That's essentially what Sessions wants of the state of California.
     
  5. Your Best Friend

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    "California has stopped cooperating with the federal government on every level, with regard to immigration. The willing disregard for federal immigration law goes far beyond simply not holding prisoners for ICE to show up"
    http://www.breitbart.com/california...cooperate-with-federal-immigration-officials/

    What part of California has stopped cooperating with the federal government in enforcing the federal law of the land do you not understand?
    SB 54 prohibits public officials and employers from handing over illegal immigrants to the feds.This is called breaking the law!
    It is knowingly thwarting federal immigration law You keep repeating your tiresome talking points, though.

    It's no different than when George Wallace, Lester Maddox, etc. defied federal segregation
    law and Jerry Brown (and other sanctuary states) is the new Orval Faubus, standing in the doorway of Little Rock schools defying orders to integrate and causing armed troops to escort black children to school. How does it feel to be on the same team as 1950's Jim Crow racists? How do you like your company?

    This is a tiresome straw man and the issue is much much deeper than this.
     
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    Obama Administration sued to prevent states from enforcing federal immigration law.
    Trump Administration has to sue to prevent states from belligerently defying federal immigration law.

    That should speak volumes...

    that should tell you all you need to know about the American left.
     
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    What I wanna know is why Moonbeam et al aren't being criminally charged under 8 USC § 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv).
     
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    Stopped cooperating is not the same as breaking the law. Not holding someone for the feds is not the same as not turning them over. The Feds are responsible for immigration not the states. The feds are responsible for the border, not the states. Turn of white supremacist sites and Jeff Sessions they give you bad info. And always remember, the president lies so much their are places keeping track on when he tells the truth, saves bandwidth.
     
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    You do know that that never happened right?
     
  10. Your Best Friend

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    Take your own advice and get your head out of the left's ass.
    (a) Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.
    (b) Whoever willfully causes an act to be done which if directly performed by him or another would be an offense against the United States, is punishable as a principal.


    The sanctuary movement is the very definition of aiding and abetting federal crime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiding_and_abetting
    It is no different, in philosophy or effect, than the Jim Crow governors that refused to acknowledge or enforce federal integration laws.

    Let me ask you again...how does it feel to be in the shoes of George Wallace and Lester Maddox? That's okay, don't bother to respond.
    I know you have no answers.
     
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    We don't wait to have a "Fort Sumter" episode with the People's Republik of Kalifornia, and we sure as hell wouldn't want to wage a 'civil war' to make them be a properly-functioning part of the United States! Let them secede! Let them go! If they want to wallow in a lawless, chaotic septic tank full of criminal illegal aliens and diseased 'campers', panhandlers and vagrants, characterized by the LOWEST quality of life in the country -- LET THEM!

    Links:
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ranks-last-quality-life-new-report/384853002/
    http://nordic.businessinsider.com/california-worst-quality-of-life-2018-3?r=US&IR=T
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01/california-has-worst-quality-life-in-us-study-says.html

    OR

    President Trump can send in federal troops, take over state and city governments, throw all criminals -- "foreign and domestic" in jail, and clean this wretched, hyperliberal hell-hole up, once and for all!
     
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    I stand corrected then. But the fact still remains that California is protecting criminals and not citizens.
     
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    Again, the laws do not aid nor abet. To not seek out illegals is not aiding not abetting, it's called ignoring. To not hold someone who has completed their sentence, after informing the feds of their arrest mind you, is not aiding not abetting, it's negligence on ICE for not picking them up.
    Oh,and federal integration laws were vetted by the supreme court and were based on constitutional law not some lunatic having a temper tantrum. Not that California has violated any immigration law, on that i still wait.
     
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    Okay. I know I already provided a link to a story about SB 54 (I think it was) that actually codified under California state law
    a measure that actually forbade employers or state entities from cooperating or assisting federal immigration law.
    Other states forbid assisting immigration officers in any way whatsoever as well.

    You want to just sit there and spew out rote talking points, left wing memes, tiresome rhetoric or other lies go ahead. But like Jerry Brown addressing federal immigration law, I won't be a part of this anymore. Your disingenuous denials do not constitute any sort of argument
    and the California law suit from the Justice Department will be the very best reply to people like you that refuse to face the facts.
     
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    How is immigration a states rights issue? It's absolutely a federal issue.
     
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    And should you ever come back with the law being broken or fact better than water is the leading cause of drowning we'll talk.
     
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    Do you consider this a reply? Or did you have a stroke mid post?
    It doesn't address anything I said and raises no points to counter them. You got nothing.

    Otherwise it's great....:roll:
     
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    Mass psychosis has gripped a significant fraction of the progressive regressive elites in the wake of their shock at the election and presidency of Donald Trump. The open embrace by California and some other jurisdictions of nullification – the doctrine that states can ignore or obstruct federal law – is recapitulating the run-up to our 19th-century Civil War. Serious publications are taking seriously the possibility of an actual armed conflict.

    Kurt Schlichter on Town Hall takes a cold, hard look at the question: "Why Democrats Would Lose the Second Civil War, Too,"

    There are two Civil War II scenarios, and the left is poorly positioned to prevail in either one. The first scenario is that the Democrats take power and violate the Constitution in order to use the apparatus of the federal government to suppress and oppress Normal Americans. In that scenario, red Americans are the insurgents. In the second scenario, which we can even now see the stirrings of in California's campaign to nullify federal immigration law, it is the blue states that are the insurgents.

    The Democrats lose both wars. Big time.

    Let's talk terrain and numbers. Remember the famous red v. blue voting map? There is a lot of red, and in the interior the few blue splotches are all cities like Las Vegas or Denver. That is a lot of territory for a counter-insurgent force to control, and this is critical. The red is where the food is grown, the oil pumped, and through which everything is transported. And that red space is filled with millions of American citizens with small arms, a fairly large percentage of whom have military training.

    Remember what two untrained idiots did in Boston with a couple of pistols? They shut a city down. Now multiply that by several million, with better weapons and training.
     
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    California has not broken any laws despite what you've been told, advocating armed insurgency is however.
     
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    Yes it has, see post #82.
     
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    Simply because any prosecutor tries would at best have it dismissed immediately and depending on the judge, be put up for public ridicule for being stupid and wasting a lot of people's time.
    Pray tell, what part do you think the state of California has violated?
     
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    All that could certainly happen, but not on the basis of the law.

    It's impossible to be more specific than I was.
     
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    And that's as specific as Sessions has been and why he'll fail.

    http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/201...ave-to-comply-the-anti-comandeering-doctrine/
     
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    I think it is difficult for the left to take this position on immigration, but will demand that the government dictate to the states how they do other functions, like voting, or gun control. It does seem pretty durn hypocritical of them.

    And while I don't believe the intent of the federal regulation is to force states to comply with the law, there is generally a working relationship in law enforcement that engenders a spirit of cooperation that is frankly being tested by the idiocy of the left who are working overtime trying to protect their current version of slavery in this country.
     

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