If Machine Guns are illegal

Nothing should ever stand in the way of one americans right to shoot another american in the name of freedom, safety or what ever other reasons are popular at the time. Banning machine guns may stop 1 american shooting a lot of Americans quite quickly but, its not really going to affect the annual total that much. Many peoeple around the world celebrate your love of guns and your passtime of shooting each other.

 

70 People commit suicide everyday in Japan, no guns used, mind you, and the child suicide rate is very high, 10 - 19 year olds are committing suicide at an alarming rate.

Link

https://www.humanium.org/en/child-suicide-in-japan-the-leading-cause-of-death-in-children/

 

Link;

https://www.humanium.org/en/child-suicide-in-japan-the-leading-cause-of-death-in-children/

Japan has one of the highest suicide rates. A World Health Organization report shows it is actually 60 per cent higher than the global average (Lu, 2015). The country counts an average of 70 daily suicides and alarmingly children are also affected by this problem (ibid.). Since 2014, suicide has become Japan’s leading cause of death in children aged 10-19 (Oi, 2015) and the rate of child suicide keeps rising despite the decreasing overall suicide rate (Whitman, 2015)!

The main reasons for child suicide are school-related issues such as demanding school work or bullying. These problems lead children to depression. Kenzo Denda, a professor at Hokkaido University, reports that in Japan 1 in 12 primary school students and 1 in 4 secondary school students suffer from depression, which causes many of them to commit suicide (Lu, 2015). We see a spike in suicides in September when children go back to school after the summer holidays; Japanese children are actually more likely to kill themselves on 1st September than on any other day. The spike in suicides repeats in April when students go back to school to start a new academic year (Oi, 2015). School-related issues and the children inclination to suicide are actually part of Japanese culture.

How are children affected? The group culture and pressure to perform.

In Japan, group culture is important. This practice means that everyone has to be part of a group, follow the rules and have the same opinion as the other members. This means that every person who is different or doesn’t comply with the rules will be excluded and become the target of bullies. This is also a reason why some watch but don’t react; if you are not one of the bullies, you could become the next victim. This also applies to teachers who sometimes know what is going on but turn a blind eye or even participate in the bullying in order to avoid trouble.

Group culture is also linked to school pressure, as students are always expected to perform and get the highest scores, and those with difficulties don’t receive any support, they just have to go along with the rest of the class. This aspect of the Japanese culture can explain, at least in part, the problems children face at school and which can lead them to want to end their life (Oi, 2015).

 

There are no guns in common use in Japan, yet young people are commiting suicide at an alarming rate, as a Healthcare Professional, I find this trend, Alarming, children should be laughing and playing games, not contemplating ending a life, that has not even begun.

70 people a day.
700 every 10 days.
7,000 every 100 days.
70,000 suicides every 1,000 days.
Ages 10 to 19...... Sad......
However, no guns used in these suicides......

So tell us again, how waiting periods can or will reduce suicides, especially in a Country like Japan without firearms.

 

And yet the united states constitution included the second amendment after the confiscation efforts were attempted. If the matter was not in the original list of grievances, it would have been included in an amended version if one were released.

 

And your point? That you read into it what you wanted to read into it?

Yeah, a FEW people will be institutionalized and helped. That, sure as Hell, is not locking them up. For every one mentally ill person in an institution today, there are TEN mentally ill in prisons!

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...e_become_warehouses_for_the_mentally_ill.html

So what you're telling people is that it is okay to let those kind of people run free in society only to commit crimes - and victimize us and go to prison, but you're horrified that we invest in them before they take the wrong road and help them, sending only those who cannot be trusted on their own to get the help they receive????

 

You really should read what's written and respond to that instead of making **** up.

Hostilities weren't joined until confiscation was attempted. THAT is what sparked the revolution. Many factors stacked up powder, confiscation lit the fuse.

Which brings us full circle to: What you want will light the fuse again. Its a bad idea. Don't touch the stove timmy, its hot.

 

Do you have any evidence the cause of the 2nd was the British order to confiscate guns fifteen years earlier? I suspect it goes back to the English Bill of Rights.

 

My point is we can't lock up everyone who might cause a problem.

 

It was about suppressing the rebellion, not about confiscating guns.

You're not living up to your forum name if you think Americans feel about the government they elected as the colonists did about a regime imposed on them. You'll look like a bug on the windshield if you take up arms because someone limits your "right" to open carry.

 

What hogwash. Your murder rate is 5 times ours you lose 200 police officers in the line of duty to our one yet have the highest encarceration rates in the world .

Have you ever even been to the UK ?

 

You must be unaware of the fact your response did nothing to meaningfully address his post.

 

You keep drinking that UK leftist kool-aid. I hope you live in Ireland because England is done. My post wasn't about Murder rates. It was about violent crime in general.

Your post is a deflection and of course innacurate. Because any rational or educated person knows that it is virtually impossible to compare the the two countries murder rates. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not aware of the enormous differences in how each of our countries tabulate murder rates.

US- The methodology used by the FBI : If there is a dead body and signs of foul play, it’s a murder or non-negligent manslaughter.

UK - The crucial methodological difference is that a murder’s status depends on a conviction, not a body and evidence of foul play.

The above is per your common law. Look how complicated and open to abuse by statisticians that is.

In the US if there is a dead body and signs of foul play or better put if its not suicide or natural death well it's a murder. That's it


In your country not only is it required for a murder to be charged to a criminal but they must be actually convicted for it to be considered and counted as murder. Your country has only a 38% conviction rate.

It gets even better

I wonder how many untold amount of deaths are there in the UK where people are stabbed to death or bludgeoned to death or whatever.... But because there is no evidence to charge someone... NO ONE gets charged so no chance even make it to court at all to have a 38% chance of being counted as murder. Yet there they lie stabbed to death.

So in closing for now sir before your opinion " Hogwashes" me. You better come with your ducks in a row.

 

Must the Ducks also be quacking in order to be counted as qualified Ducks ?
Or are they re-classified as fowl of unknown pedigree ?

 

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but those "legal scholars" are ignoring the clear and unambiguous statements of the Founders on the issue, as did Scalia.

Sorry, but everyone on your side of the issue wants to try and use Scalia as a club against opposition, but not everyone thought he was right. He was a lawyer, and lawyers are infamous for their ability to argue over "what the meaning of the word 'is' is". Heller was nothing but an example of a jurist going through painful extremes of rationalization to try and protect governmental overreach while acknowledging the core status of the right as the individual right it was intended to be. Thus we have a ruling that tries (clumsily) to explain how the government actually can infringe upon a right that "shall not be infringed."

 

A force of uniformed and armed soldiers of the British Army were sent with the express purpose of confiscation of guns and ammunition held by civilians, by General Gage. Was that purpose in furtherance of other aims of the British governor? Obviously. Does that change the fact that they were there to confiscate civilian arms? No, it does not.

This force was met and attacked by a local militia, in the first open hostilities of the conflict known as the American Revolutionary War.
This opening of hostilities is commonly known as "The shot heard 'round the world".

 

If they don't quack, best to leave them out entirely.

 

I think the critical thing is to make sure that the Constitutional rights of all Americans regardless of class, religion, race, etc. are protected. When you have the fundamentals it's easier to deal with other issues.

Sorry, I don't address nonsensical non-sequitors.

No, we're a Constitutional Republic. There's a difference, and that you don't know that tells me all I need to know about how good a "teacher" you are.

When a law violates the Constitutional rights of the people, it has no legitimacy. When the courts uphold such a law, they abdicate their credibility and their decisions cease to have legitimacy.

The Constitution has been under attack for the better part of a century without the people taking any kind of substantive action against it. To be ready to stop accepting that "long list of grievances" is perfectly logical at this point.

Sorry, but my knowledge of history and the Constitution clearly far surpasses yours. If someone like you is teaching high school it only illustrates why our educational system is in such deep trouble, and explains the rash of incompetent and ignorant morons being graduated into the world these days.

In all honesty, and to be fair to you... it's not your fault your education is so thoroughly lacking. The schools have been lying to you. One of the most fascinating (and frustrating) experiences I had was cleaning out my parents' house after my father passed away. In his collection of books I found two different editions of the same high school Civics textbook, separated from each other by about forty years according to their copyright dates. The earlier book, published in about 1901, had an extensive explanation regarding the critical differences between a Democracy and a Republic AND expounding on how we were NOT a Democracy. It's treatment on the Bill of Rights and the reason for each Amendment was enlightening. The subsequent edition, published in the 1930's, had the entire section regarding being a Republic expunged, and the explanation of the Bill of Rights cruelly truncated. Those books began my evolution in understanding our history and the Founding of this nation... and the insidious campaign to undermine the Constitution that the government has been involved in since at least the early 1900's.

Tragically, my ex-wife misplaced the box I had put those textbooks into, and they disappeared after my parents' final estate sale.

 

No, that's not how it works. Representatives do not appoint Justices, nor do they themselves amend the Constitution; but I thought anyone who claims such an expansive knowledge of our system would know that...

There are things in life worth fighting - and even dying - for; including the preservation (or restoration of) Freedom and Liberty.

 

Yes, this is a very sick, twisted, unhealthy and violent society. And we export it abroad every chance we get, and even some we don't.

 

I lived in the US for two years. You didnt answer my question. Have you ever been to the UK ?

 

I don't have to answer crap that is not defending or proving my assertion in this thread.

You stated Hogwash to my assertion that violence is cultural, and I would appreciate it if you acknowledged here that trying to use murder rates as you did solely as any type of measure comparing UK and US violence levels was not appropriate. Particularly after I painstakingly outlined the folly of such an opinion.

The problem is violence being cultural just can't be quantified or more importantly reduced to a bumper sticker one liner political platform that people can ingest easily. Each culture is different with some common denominators. Especially in the West.

So politicians attack violence and crimes the more horrendous the crime the better with buzz words. Guns! Racism! Drugs! Etc etc. All easily ingested and the people are satisfied that by blaming one of these things they are contributing to fixing the problem.

That's not very smart is it?

 

Hello? Guns weren't the issue.

You're going to be in for a rude shock if you bet you won't get SQUASHED if you start a revolution over gun rights.

 

I honestly don't think the average human is unhealthy or violent in any country but provided certain stimuli via their environment whether it be by circumstance of birth, or direct influence via environment, a tragic event, hardship, pain, apathy, our species is very adaptable and physical violence with or without weapon is very much a part of our DNA.. Not preferred but easily called upon. Primates as a whole.. all species are incredibly violent. I have a difficult time thinking of a species more violent than Homo Sapiens. Possibly one reason we were so successful

So even as far as we have evolved must still avoid stimuli that bring out the violence that is in our DNA. It's usually something persistent or lacking right?

I'm still working on that part.

 

Hello? Confiscation of arms demonstrably is the spark lighting the fuse. Is it the only complaint? No, of course not. Is it what directly leads to open warfare with what was then the most powerful nation on the planet? Yes.

I didn't say I was going to start anything bud. It's comments like this that reveal your true aims. You should really work on that, your rhetoric is more see through than the teddy I bought my fiance for valentines day.