Bernie Sanders: Russia and Stormy Daniels distract us from real problem of inequality

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...s-distract-us-from-real-problem-of-inequality

It looks like old Bern wants to talk about real issues. Things that actually matter. I wonder why liberals are not listening to Bernie?

Is Bernie correct?

 

I think it only matters as a point to show that the family who prides themselves on 'family values' elected an individual who is the antithesis of that.

Otherwise, yeah, there are a helluva lot more important things to worry about.

 

the new right is not religious.
that dog won't hunt - stop trying to make it.

 

While Sanders doesn’t agree with President Trump’s tariffs, he said that they are a “weapon you can use” to address competitors from low-wage countries. “American workers are put in an extreme disadvantage in that kind of competition,” Sanders said, adding: “We have to go broader [than Trump’s tariffs]. I have called for the ending of permanent normal trade relations with China and Nafta. I think trade is a positive thing, but it has to be done in a way that is fair.”

Hmm Sanders can make sense now and again.

 

Even as a political strategy, depending only on making the other side look bad eventually backfires if over used. Sooner or later the dems need to talk about issues and policy. They are failing miserably at that.

 

Really? So Trump wasn't the first sitting President to speak at the Values Voter Summit?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/13/trump-religious-conservative-values-voters-summit​

And that the Republican GOP doesn't have a section of their website devoted to Family Values? https://gop.com/issue/family-values/canonical/

Wrong on both counts. That Dog hunts for days on this particular issue.

I dunno, it worked for the last few years of the Obama Presidency for the GOP. Got them huge gains without any solutions beyond 'doing the opposite of Obama'.

 

Sanders was the only logical pick for POTUS last election.

Sanders is right on the 2nd amendment - it's a states issue if they want to see certain restrictions on gun ownership - moreover, manufacturer liability is a no go.

He is right on trade.

He is also right that there has been a massive accumulation of wealth at the top of the scale which needs to be somehow controlled. If profits are as absurdly high as they are then workers are clearly underpaid. Especially with firms that do absolutely no R&D.

 

No one cares about the new right. The new right is simply a bunch of pissed off ideologues more concerned with getting even then doing what's good for the country.

If they'd stop their petty BS we wouldn't have any issues.

 

The GOP also talked about policy. They did alot of criticizing obama's policies and did not rely on completely unrelated issues. That is what worked.

 

Well, perhaps people understand the government is not the purveyor of family values, and as such, they have expectations on government leadership to focus on matters that impact family economics, not beliefs.

 

Eh. Not really. Most of their 'policy' was populist statements, as well a lot of their Pre-Election issues suddenly disappeared when they took power. Debt and Deficits being at the top of that list.

 

Agreed. So perhaps they should stop pretending to lead the charge on that particular front. Unless it's simply empty rhetoric to get the Christian Vote.

 

How new since the right just a couple of years ago was accusing Oblama of being a Muslim..??

 

They are not religious but believe in the sanctity of marriage(50% divorce rate) and sanctity of life through abortion(unless they need welfare to exist).

 

Probably no different than the rhetoric the left uses to get the liberal/socialist progressive vote.

Unfortunately, people at this time in history appear to be quite susceptible to dog whistles and click bait.

 

Except that those very policy points came from Falwell and the 70s religious movement towards the Republican Party. Like it or not, the Republicans are synonymous with the Christian Right in the US. If they don't wish to be associated with that, then they need to make a declarative statement as such.

But they can't, because they would lose those votes.

Definitely no different. Which is why it's on the people to call out the hypocrisy where it stands rather then hand-waving it away like many seem to do.

 

I agree with the debt and deficits part. No one in Congress is interested in reducing both. The difference in the mud slinging is that dems have gone over the top. After a while people tune it out. It happened to some extent with obama but it has really happened with Trump. Dems have jumped the shark long ago and they just keep going.

 

Getting even for what??

 

I find the perspective difference we seem to share to be very interesting.

I don't see much difference between what the Left is doing to Trump with what the Right did to Obama. Though, I personally feel that Trump has given way more ammunition then Obama did. Obama's scandals were limited to his Govt Policy, whereas Trump has both Personal and Public scandals going on.

Realistically though, both sides will take any advantage they can get.

 

No one really cares he banged hot chicks and cheated on his wife. No one cares about allegations of Russian collusion without any solid proof on Trump.

 

The early 90s called. It wants your definition of "conservative" back.

You have been on this forum for how long and you still don't listen to what those on the other side are telling you.

 

What public scandals would that be? A fake Russian collusion story cooked up by the DNC? Since it's fake Mueller is reduced to searching through Trumps buisnuiss records from years ago in hopes of finding a crime.

There is little on policy thst anyone can point to if Trump ****ing up. A few months ago it was going to be world war 3 with North Korea now they are conning to the table.

On issues of stubance you have zero.

 

Actually, more then a few people care. Just because you don't, doesn't mean that's a widespread thing.

lol oh I listen. It's actually why I post here. But neither will I accept the hypocritical musings of those who only support their 'team' regardless of reality. If Obama was embroiled in scandal such as the Stormy Daniels one, it would be front and center of fox news for weeks on end. To deny that is the height of dishonesty.

lol. Partisan to the end eh? Sounds like you've already made up your mind, so i'll leave you to it. Don't wanna upset the house of cards.

 

Pathetic pathetic response. I expected more from you.

 

I cant agree more.