Gun grabbing is driving down a dead end road

The radical left is using school kids for their agenda. They lie when they say we will be safer. There is one HUGE reason they are bound to fail. They have no plan to get guns away from criminals!!!!!!!! Also they refuse to learn from history. How did the gun grabbing work out in Russia, Germany, and China. Something like 100 million citizens were killed.

 

Sorry...wrong. The left is not using these kids...they are LEADING

And God Bless Em.

 

LOL

Not even close.

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The school walkouts are all a coordinated product of the alt-left liberal/socialist progressive culture war.

They aren't leading, they are following......

 

Trump was the one talking about gun grabbing, Trump is the lead Republican

 

I keep hearing about "gun grabbing" How many guns have been grabbed (please support your answers)? Who has grabbed them? When everyone wants to keep guns away from criminals why do so many oppose stricter background check system?

 

background checks only work for people that follow the laws, the ones that don't follow the laws do not use background checks

if background checks ONLY applied to ar-15 and machine gun type guns, I would agree - as every American has a constitutional right to won a gun to protect their homes and families

 

Seems to be working in Austrailia just fine. Where’s all the mass shootings in Sydney? Oh wait, there are none. These kids are standing up for a cause.

Guns lives don’t matter, people’s lives matter.

 

Use your head, Lesh.
If you have ever tried to organize any major action requiring the participation of thousands of even hundreds, no matter how good the cause for it, you would know that such things just don't happen spontaneously- they require professional promotion and choreographing, by people who specialize in publicity, promotion- and manipulation. Aside from the legitimacy of any motivation among participants, there are people making calls, pushing buttons and pulling strings behind the scenes. People who know how to manipulate emotion and perception to make it appear, even to the participants, that it was just spontaneous.

Before one decides what the real message is- one needs to know who is doing that. They have an agenda that existed before the fact, and is not the same as what the kids think they are doing.

 

AstroTurf funded by liberal big pockets. Besides, as teenagers they do represent the maturity of the left. Minds of mush.

 

13,000 a year in america these days.

 

You folks never stop lying when it comes to this issue. The school kids aren't being used, they are leading the charge towards GUN CONTROL ENHANCEMENT..........NOT GUN CONFISCATION.

 

That isn't true at all. Large movements will get support from a lot of organizations but it isn't "choreographing". I have been a part of a few such movements at the top and know how things develop.

 

I've been involved in such efforts too.
So, marches being all held at the same time using the same mottos, strategies and processes are just the results of shared concerns. Got it.
Those other interests are just "collaborating" with moral support. Right.

That's like having a thousand people show up for your birthday party at the same time, when there were no invitations or announcements, and in facts no planned celebration.
Because they all like you....

That is what they want people to believe, but never happens in real life.

 

I am sorry you are so cynical. A lot of schools have had similar shootings all over the country. A lot of grieving parents, siblings, and classmates. The club is getting bigger and if you can't believe they would offer support to the Parkland students based on the issue of gun violence in schools then I don't know what to say.

I can tell you from my personal experience that we received support from interested groups, some with their own self promotion in mind. When the movement gained popularity candidates and other groups jumped on board. Keeping everyone in line and establishing a consistent message was hard. But it doesn't mean that tasks could not be delegated or that the support from other groups wasn't absolutely necessary for the cause.

 

I don't remember any gun grabbing in Russia, Germany, and China. People were not armed to begin with.

Today Germany is a country with strict gun-control laws and in which most people do not possess or even want to possess firearms. Nevertheless, it's a more democratic country in the USA with more protection for citizens' rights (except for the unlimited right to possess the means of easily killing your fellow citizens).

Of course, many who value ideology above facts claim that if guns are taken away, only criminals will have guns, although that is not the case in any western country, all of which have stricter gun laws that the USA.

High gun ownership is not only associated with high homicide rates, it is also associated with high suicide rates. The following graph comes from the current issue of The Economist. Note that states with lax gun control such as Montana, Wyoming, and Alaska have much higher suicide rates than do states with stricter laws such as California, Massachusetts, and New York.

Here's the link to the article from which the graph is taken:
https://www.economist.com/news/unit...-states-show-way-what-works-reduce-gun-deaths

 

I've seen a group of kids organize a party with almost 200 people in about 5 minutes ... no parents required, just the power of smart phones. You're kidding yourself if you don't think kids aren't energetic enough to pull this off.

 

Are you too young to remember the Vietnam protests? They had a great effect. The anti-gun demonstrations seem to me to be the first time since the 1960s that youth have united to protest an important social issue. If gun-advocating politicians start to lose reelection campaigns, the anti-gun movement may turn out to be as successful as the anti-war movement was. Let's hope they succeed and give us all a better chance of living into old age.

 

I do believe they offer sympathy- that is not the point at all.

Consider that in the majority of school shootings- the shooter has been one of their own. Either a current of past student, so angry it seem rational to kill those he blames for his frustration. How did that happen? Many hostile things happen in schools these days, because we no longer apply the discipline that gives young people the capacity to accept responsibility. We blame teachers for kids failure to learn- not kids, not parents. They are taught that whatever happens is somebody else's fault. It's no wonder that they blame their anger on- somebody else.

There are four elements involved here. One- an environment that cultivated the urge to commit murder in some youngster. Two- that person who actually went over the edge and let's that urge become action. Three- a community that ignores the multitude of signals that typically indicate that such a threat is at hand. Fourth- a weapon, which that mentally disturbed person chooses to use.

Fixing the first requires that people change- parents, school boards, teachers and the culture of the school.
Fixing the second requires changing or controlling or at least monitoring the the disturbed person. Again- people are responsible, and would have to take affirmative actions.
Fixing the third requires that those in a position to see this threat actually pay attention and take action to stop it. Again, people are responsible.... and reluctant to act.
Fixing the fourth means making it impossible for the disturbed person to obtain a weapon. NOT just as AR15, but any weapon capable of killing- any gun, but not only guns. A molotov cocktail, a bomb, a poison, down the list to a rock, or even fists. While the capacity of the weapon might go down, or the number of deaths- you simply cannot eliminate the motivation of a killer to kill by making it harder to get a weapon. Weapons are everywhere- even a pencil can be a deadly weapon. The shooter uses the weapon that seems most appropriate- but remove the first choice, and the second will immediately take it's place, because the need to kill in that angry person has not been reduced at all.

However, the weapon is what people focus on.... because changing the first three people-related factors is unpopular; it requires genuine change of ourselves. It is also an ongoing commitment- not something we can do once and walk away. The fourth is an external factor. We just make laws for that, so none of us actually have to change our ways. It's convenient- but, it doesn't work. If it did, there would be no drugs on the street, no epidemic of overdose deaths.

Point is that if you care about the problem, if you really want it to stop- why don't you address the cause of it in the first place?
Because we want an "easy" answer- not one that does not require us to change ourselves and take responsibility for the environment that we have created, an environment that is producing so many troubled people. That is the real and only permanent solution- one we aren't willing to apply because it requires more of us than we are willing to bring to the table. Anything else is a patch so we can say we did something. That is a very hollow "accomplishment."

 

Energetic enough to be there? Sure. party time goes with it.
200 kids and local, no surprise. 100,000 kids or more national- not a chance.

I just watched a news clip from the Washington demonstration, which included a girl who appeared to be perhaps 13/14, one of a string of kids taking a mike to speak.
Her comments were hardly those of a teenager- they were a very well written political speech with a variety of catch phases in timed order and delivery.
Totally professional job, delivered by an innocent kid. Probably just made it up as she went along....

 

If we could see equal levels of effort directed towards raising stronger, more responsible people, I'd be first in line to approve.
Ask yourself how many of today's problems would disappear if a few characteristics like personal responsibility and respect for others became popular.
It would be a social vaccine, curing more ills than we could imagine. That would not only improve you chances of living longer, but of doing so in a happy and peaceful way.

 

It is rather the adults in america who cannot pull anything off.

 

Your political system and economic system would collapse.

 

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It appears that the evangelical right seems threatened by these kids. Good.
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Today's student protests are a great demonstration of young people taking responsibility. They could be sitting around making useless posts on this forum as you and I are doing, but they have a vision that they can improve society. They deserve our support.

 

It would be nice to believe that was the case, but I suspect that the people orchestrating all this are hardly young people taking responsibility- far more likely, people with an agenda taking advantage.

I keep waiting for someone to say- let's stop raising deranged, angry kids!

But, I'm not holding my breath on that one.