Black kid almost shot dead in lily-white Michigan suburb for asking for directions

Yet. Trump's only been there a year, give him and his followers time. I'm surprised we haven't gone to war with Ukraine yet over him greeting Yulia Tymoshenko in his favorite way.

The problem with a gun is it's a difficult weapon. The skills it requires are perishable and not easy to master. Even most cops are not really experts with their weapons and unless the handler is an expert it's more likely to hurt the wielder than the victim. The numbers I've seen back me on this, your gun is more a danger to you than a defense.

 

So, LOL, ironically, you were using 'liberal logic' to convince me of your conservative point? Funny.....

 

And you base this on what? Intuition? The KKK? FoxNews?
I can't find reliable stats specific to home invasion but we do know that most violent crimes, which includes home invasion, committed against whites is by whites by a very large majority.
This is like police being more inclined to shoot a black man out of fear for their lives despite the fact that more police officers are killed by whites.

 

He didn't just walk up on the front porch did he? There was more to it.

 

Who exactly is we beside more liberal fallacy? BTW do you know about percentages? Didn't think so.

 

We're also talking about violent home invasions. There is a difference.

 

You have stated that most home invasions are committed by blacks, it's for you to prove that as I can find no such proof or stat.
I made the claim that more police are killed by whites than blacks and it breaks down to 43% are killed by whites and 37% killed by blacks, so yes, I do know the percentages, do you know yours? That I highly doubt because it would not be consistent with other violent crimes that are heavily white on white or black on black. I also found a stat that in over 60% of home invasions the invaders know the owners. So what do you have besides a gut feeling?

 

My going to the doctor can't be stolen and kill somebody. How are those apples compared to these oranges?

Possibly and I hope so, it would make the whole thing more reasonable on both sides. I notice they are still talking about the Starbuck's story though everyone is quiet with this.
I find it really incredible that anyone in their right mind would walk up and bang loudly on a stranger's door nowadays. I don't care what the circumstances are. Even with people I know I ALWAYS call first anyway so I'm expected. I had someone just rap normally the other day and it still scared the **** out of me

 

Another way to put it is that I am fighting fire with fire

 

A better article (because, yes, the term “lily-white” is racist, which would connote media bias in the article):

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/14/us/michigan-man-shoots-at-teen-asking-for-directions/index.html

I find it hilarious the guy was arrested after his story didn’t match up with his own security video. He claims there’s more to the story than what’s being told. Sure, and now that you weren’t honest about what happened on your porch, you’ll get your day in court to tell us all about it.

I hope the people laughing at the idea of a 14-year-old boy getting lost trying to get to his own school simply didn’t understand that it was a 4 mile walk.

By the way, where is everybody getting the idea Zeigler was a felon before the incident? I see no mention of that in either article.

 

Uumm. Yes. That was the point.

 

So your own logic isn't convincing on its own?

 

Your car can be stolen and used to run someone over. Sell your car? The odds of a gun stolen from my house is the same as me winning the lottery. First you have to break in. Then you have to break in the safe because if I’m home you can’t really steal it. Somehow you bypassed my alarm as well. That’s a whole lot of effort to steal something you can sell for a couple 100 on the black market. And I don’t think it’s possible to rob me when I’m home.

 

I tried to use the only logic Liberals understand. Their own. Seems it failed. Funny

 

Is there footage from the doorbell camera?

 

Based on the typical news story and forum comments regarding race issues the average black person would have been safer in Nazi Germany than in America.

 

Aren't you aware that Blacks dominate interracial crime. I'm talking about violent home invasions, the 11 to 12 % where a gun is used. Google up violent home invasions and find where Whites are involved. There are a few but not many. The vast majority of the perps are Black.

 

Therefore as a % LEO's face more risk from Blacks. And yeah T-bone knows Ice Pick because that's where the drugs are. Google up violent home invasions and tell me what race/ ethnicity the vast predominance of the perps are.

 

Alex, I live in rural America. When looking at property, either to lease or buy and you don't know the principals, it's wise to leave a note in their mailbox if you can't easily find the property owners phone number.

 

I go with an agent always, I used to be one and it's recommended practice to tell a client not to just drive around. Besides being shot it's simply unprofessional for all sides

 

What we need is information from a reliable study focusing not simply on racial distinction but also socioeconomic disparities. How do crime statistics compare if, say for example, only the lower economic class were studied, with all races involved? Would there be a similar disparity in crimes rates among Blacks and Whites of the same class, with upper and even middle class Blacks and Whites factored out? Or would we see rates even out?

I ask in all earnest because I think I really don’t know. I find the internet saturated with research about race/crime stats, yet it’s near to impossible (and here’s the cue to toss the link that proves me wrong) to find studies relating crime and economic class, and now that we know all about the racial stats, I think it’s a far more vital we begin looking into those socioeconomic stats more seriously, or at least... as seriously.

 

Good for you You're one of those responsible gun owners who would have no problem with having to buy liability insurance for your guns should it ever become mandatory, right?

 

Everyone was 14 at some point.
When I was 14, I knew where I needed to be, how to get there, and enough currency to get there and back using trains and buses and walking when necessary.

 

I'm sorry, are RWers here actually accusing this poor kid of being somehow responsible for being almost killed?

what crime did he commit? being black while lost? being black in a white neighborhood?

 

Liabilty insurance is not required on firearms.
And liability insurance on concealed carry licensees is not currently required.
A holstered concealed firearm is not the same as operating a motor vehicle on public streets, requiring liability insurance.