Homeless residents brag about makeshift 'mansion' near Seattle's famed Space Needle

Make it voluntary. If they want 'assistance', they must stay clean (and move out of cities) to get it.

 

Only as long as it's just fuel for their virtue signalling. Once the smell of poop invades their favourite cafe, they may alter their lightweight opinions.

 

I wonder if any Ex-Backpage Hookers are still using it as an incall location?

 

It's insanity to think there is enough time and money to do anything but 'one size fits all'. Where does this infantile thinking come from? This notion that humanity has sufficient resources to cater to idiosyncrasy? Jesus people .... there are kids starving to death. And we want to tend to the delicate sensibilities of the drunk who pissed away his good life on the park bench?

 

1) They are dividing themselves, under the current failing approach. Sensible programs, however, would give them the option to succeed. They would be given the motivation to get clean, to work, and to have some dignity. Retrieve what's left of their decency and humanity and build on it. Having said that, I don't agree with the 'institution' style approach - my preference is for rural development/agriculture. Basically, self-sufficient communes.

2) It's not one-size fits all, but it's fantasy land to think it can be approached any other way. The most moral approach (given this), is make it all optional. Those who refuse the option can take their chances on the streets.

3) It cannot be a prison as long as it's optional.

 

1) They are dividing themselves, under the current failing approach. Sensible programs, however, would give them the option to succeed. They would be given the motivation to get clean, to work, and to have some dignity. Retrieve what's left of their decency and humanity and build on it. Having said that, I don't agree with the 'institution' style approach - my preference is for rural development/agriculture. Basically, self-sufficient communes.

2) It's not one-size fits all, but it's fantasy land to think it can be approached any other way. The most moral approach (given this), is make it all optional. Those who refuse the option can take their chances on the streets.

3) It cannot be a prison as long as it's optional.

 

NIMBY? Just keep them in the cities where there are facilities to care for them and enough corners for them to panhandle on to make a decent living. The people in Podunk Junction like their lives just as they are. Besides, the weather is horrible out here which is why they are in California to begin with.

 

LMAO...Like you're doing now for your great orange hope, eh?
Sisyphus had it easy compared to the turd pile that you people have to polish every day.

 

Do you think it is "civilized" for a society to turn a blind eye to poverty and mental illness because it costs money and is unsightly? I think that's just a sign of a selfish materialistic society.

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members.” - Mahatma Ghandi

 

Oh yes , making America Great Again must really sting you guys .

 

thats cause MAGA is a lie and a fraud

 

Sure , because Hillary really cares about you and America . Lo....Oh you guys ...

 

Yeah, that sounds good -- but -- the ACLU and their buddies who run the court systems would sabotage that effort immediately. They would take the position that it is fine for government (ALL government components) to lavish expenditure of all kinds on 'homeless campers' -- but -- the handouts, the welfare, the free-this and the free-that must be shoveled out without any reciprocal action or compliance given by the recipients.

According to the ACLU, and liberal court judges, you CANNOT make the homeless bums stop:

1. crapping in the streets.
2. pissing in the streets.
3. pitching illegal 'camp' sites
4. starting illegal 'warming-fires' in places where extreme and RED FLAG fire danger has been declared
5. polluting creeks and streams
6. getting obnoxiously drunk in public
7. using illegal drugs in public
8. engage in non-stop, aggressive panhandling
9. spreading garbage, disease, and accumulated filth all over public and private property

No. According to the ACLU and liberal court judges, the only thing you have the right to do is go on providing these people with unending welfare and "services"....

. "Uh, your breakfast is ready, sir...."

 

Who do you blame for healthcare issues? Car accidents, cancer, an economy that devastated millions of Americans - taking their homes, their retirements, etc.? Healthcare and disability are significant causes of bankruptcy, inability to work, etc.

Who says these people have families that have the ability to take care of them? And, aren't some of these homeless encampments similar to what happens when destitution hits in a third world country?

 

"One size fits all" is very clearly a failure.

The real problem in your post here is your massively ridiculous characterization of homeless people.

 

For 1: Sure. But, you're assuming this isn't being done. And, your assumption that the homeless would be successful at farm labor is just plain silly.

For 2: The only possibility of success IS to attack the problem from many angles - prevention (such as healthcare availability to the general public, moving toward living wages, downward pressure on housing prices, etc.), making work possible (places to clean up, transportation), better mental health care, etc., etc.

For 3: It's prison if the realistic choices are all just different prisons.

 

What is your suggestion? What should be done with these homeless people?

 

That depends on why they're homeless.

Are they homeless because they have no family, or mentally ill, or are drug addicts/criminals....there isn't a one size fits all solution to homelessness.

 

"What should be done with these homeless people?" Back up! Remember, none of us has the right to violate the rights of any person, whether they have a 'home' or not. The homeless are free American citizens who can do whatever they wish with their own lives in this country -- so long as they do NOT break the law.

That is the one crucial "line in the sand" that applies. Among the laws that NONE of us is allowed to break are those that apply to illegal activities like these listed below:

1. crapping in the streets.
2. pissing in the streets.
3. pitching illegal 'camp' sites
4. starting illegal 'warming-fires' in places where extreme and RED FLAG fire danger has been declared
5. polluting creeks and streams
6. getting obnoxiously drunk in public
7. using illegal drugs in public
8. engage in non-stop, aggressive panhandling
9. spreading garbage, disease, and accumulated filth all over public and private property

If they avoid doing these things it is likely that NONE of them will be in 'trouble' with the rest of their fellow American citizens....

 

They don't belong in cities. Cities are expensive and have limited resources. Cities will never give them the firm ground they need to better their situation.

What the hell does weather have to do with it? Tiny houses can be built to suit any climate. Alaska to New Orleans.

 

1) I'm not assuming anything about their agricultural abilities. I'm saying that farm work (both indoor and out) would be an essential criteria to meet. It's OPTIONAL. If they don't like it, or 'can't' do it, they can leave.

2) All Disneyland solutions. None of those issues is the cause of the problem, and none of them will 'fix' it. These are damaged and lazy people. They need a 'tough love' option, that which was probably never provided by their families.

3) They would have the option to remain on the streets. How is that prison?

 

What bathroom should a homeless person use?

 

Well, Dragonfly, that is a really tough question -- but, I am consistent. A homeless person, just like you, me, or anyone else, can use any bathroom he/she/it likes -- as long as using that bathroom (whichever or wherever it is) does not break any LAWS.

I'm all in favor of every American citizen being able to do whatever he/she/it wants to do. "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"... remember?

The one factor that we as a civilization must (MUST) observe, though, is the RULE OF LAW, and that's why I keep on harping on that one bedrock foundation of our very identity as citizens of the United States of America. FREEDOM -- constrained only by Rule of Law!

How long have civilized human beings had codified laws? Since at least the ancient Code of Hummurabi, going back to before 1,754 B.C. . Without Rule of Law, all we have is anarchy, chaos, and crime of every kind....

 

Maybe I should be more specific... after all, this is the 21st-century, where it is rare that anyone can convey even simple concepts in a coherent, intelligent, easy-to-understand manner....

Let's say that I am the Mayor of Pollycy-ville. In my town, I decree that it is legal for people crap and pee in the streets, pitch campsites anywhere they like, pollute the creeks and streams, panhandle aggressively and repeatedly, spread trash, filth and disease, start open fires during periods of RED FLAG fire danger, etc. Then, it is OK for anyone to wander into Pollycy-ville and do all of those things because it is LEGAL.

Maybe in other cities and towns it is NOT LEGAL to do any of those things! So, in those other cities and towns, all those ILLEGAL activities must be stopped, according to LAW.

There it is in simple, everyday English. Is there any English-speaker who cannot understand this concept? The answer, unfortunately, is "yes". The ACLU and their affiliated liberal judges in the court systems fight like mad dogs to make certain that NONE of our laws covering these obvious illegalities are enforced!

 

So you are claiming that the Homeless suddenly sprang up on January 21, 2017?

Homelessness in High-Cost Cities Is Driving a National Increase ...
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/12/homelessness-in-high...cities-is.../547763/

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Homeless Families with Children - National Coalition for the Homeless​

www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/families.html
Feb 21, 2012

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Are We Creating Chronic Homelessness? - Institute for Children ...
www.icphusa.org/wp-content/.../2016/10/Duffield_Creating-Chronic-Homelessness.pd...
The Obama administration's strategic federal plan on homelessness ... Source: U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, The 2015 Annual Homeless Assessment Report (AHAR) to Congress ... uously, or on at least four occasions in the last three years where those occasions cumulatively total at least 12 ...