President Trump’s Approval Rating Tops Barack Obama BY 4 POINTS at Same Time of His Presidency

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  1. VanCleef

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    The polls showing Trump at a 40% average were correct for the 2016, 2012, 2008, 2004, etc elections national opinion, which is what they poll. These National opinion pills are quite accurate. Rassmusen is an extreme outliar in this case.

    Please do not state factual inaccuracies.
     
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    At this time in Obama's presidency the great Bush crash was in full swing and the public is dumb so there ya go.

    Thank God Obama saved us from that trainwreck left in his lap
     
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    Why sure! Pollsters were fabulous in 2016, really nailed the election!

    Poll Shows Dem Candidates Supporting Trump’s Impeachment Could Help GOP in Midterms.

    A NPR/PBS Newshour/Marist poll of likely voters shows that whether a candidate supports impeaching President Donald Trump could have an impact during the upcoming midterm elections:

    A congressional candidate’s position on whether or not to impeach President Donald Trump could be a motivating factor in this year’s midterm elections. A plurality of registered voters (47%) say they would definitely vote against a candidate for Congress who wants to impeach the president. 42% would definitely vote for a candidate who has that intent, and 10% are unsure.​
     
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    They nailed the national opinion. Which is what national opinion Polls do.

    This isn't up for debate. The data is all here,

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...rump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html

    Why do you keep conflating that with EC predictions? I've given you this lesson several times so I'm going to assume you are purposefully being false.
     
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    Sam Wang at the Princeton Election Consortium wrote Monday that if Clinton does not win on Tuesday it will be “a giant surprise” given the current election models. In fact, the Election Consortium has Clinton’s win probability range in the 98-99% range. Their model projects Clinton will win if she clinches Electoral College votes in Florida, Nevada and splits Maine’s votes with Trump.

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    Nailed it!

    http://time.com/4561625/electoral-college-predictions/
     
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    I'm honestly speechless. I mean....wow.

    I'm going to pray for you.
     
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    You completely confuse the electoral vote with the statistical fact. In that sense you're the one acting like a ranting toddler crapping it's diaper.
    And because of your anger you demand that every news service that discusses Trump's 3 million vote loss is null and void I suppose. Most of all It's Trump and his people who can't live down the unprecedented 3million vote loss.

    Without evidence, Trump tells lawmakers 3 million to 5 ..votes were fraudulent.
    ... Trump tells lawmakers 3 million to 5 million illegal ballots cost him the popular vote. ... Clinton won the popular vote by more than 2.8 million votes.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/23/at...



    President-elect is now 2.8 million votes behind Hillary Clinton - five times more than the second biggest deficit
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...n-us-election-president-history-a7470116.html


    It's official: Clinton swamps Trump in popular vote ...
    Dec 21, 2016 · Clinton outpaced Trump by almost 2.9 million votes; She lost ... Samuel Tilden received 3% more votes than ... that he would have won the popular vote,

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/donald-trump-hillary...


    Nearly a third of Republicans don’t know that Trump lost ...
    Watch video · Nearly a third of Republicans don’t know that Trump lost the popular vote. ... More than 8-in-10 ... Nearly a third of Republicans either didn't answer or

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/08/nearly-a...


    Trump tells Congressional leaders 3-5 million ... - Fox News

    Jan 24, 2017 · President Donald Trump claimed at a meeting with congressional leaders Monday that he lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton in last year's election because between three million and five million illegals cast ballots, multiple sources told Fox News.
    www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/24/trump-tells-congressional...



    Hillary Clinton Won Popular Vote Over Donald Trump, but by ...Watch video · Hillary Clinton has won the popular vote over Donald Trump by more than 2.2 million votes, and her lead could grow by the time all of the nation's votes are counted — read more
    https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/hillary-clinton-won...


    Hillary Clinton's Final Popular Vote Lead Is 2.8 Million ...
    Hillary Clinton's lead in the popular vote of the 2016 presidential election was nearly three million votes more than Donald Trump

    time.com/4608555/hillary-clinton-popular-vote-final


    Clinton’s Substantial Popular-Vote Win - The New York Times
    Nov 11, 2016 · Clinton’s Substantial Popular-Vote Win. ... be ahead by more than 2 million votes and more than 1 ... won and lost on the national popular vote

    https://www.nytimes.com/.../clintons-substantial-popular-vote-win.html
     
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    The opposite of reality with no statistics, no facts, and no links to any facts or statistics....Nice!!
     
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    Clinton won 20 states including 2 of the wealthiest states in the Country but why let the truth get in the way of a good propaganda tale?
     
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    You know the Amazing thing is.....Clinton received almost 3 MILLION more votes in total but we have Trump as president because a football stadium ammount of people voted for Trump instead of Clinton in a few states yet all I see is how Trump won in a landslide....uh huh sure he did

    Im glad my vote means less though..really motivates people to go out and vote when their vote can LITERALLY mean less in terms of elected officials.

    I truly believe if Comey had not commented AGAIN or actually brought to light Trumps Campaign was ALSO under investigation Trump would not be president but we will never know
     
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    You confuse how presidential elections are won with useless statistics.

    Hint: the electoral college decides the president based off 51 separate, independent, votes, not one catchall vote. Never has.
     
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    You haven't proven your last post I responded to so instead of correcting it you just come up with more fiction???
    Here is your last post # 333 "Uh Trump shows obama and his toad hillary were perhaps ultimately the least popular to voters." All B.S.

    By the way duh! the Washington Post article you're quoting from was written during Nov 2016. It's now 4-2118 and Washington Post article is old news. The Democrats just won several special elections against the Republicans in 2017-2018.
     
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    Considering the vote total for president ended like this:

    302- 232

    I can see where someone could say that.
     
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    B.S.. Show a quote of mine that confuses the statistic of Trump's 3 million vote loss with the electoral votes.
     
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    You keep talking how that’s what matters. It’s not. Never has. The president is decided by the electoral college, not a “popular vote” that can’t really determine if it is one, as candidates do not(with exception of idiot Hillary for some reason) campaign that way. They campaign for each state as that’s how it works.
     
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    The electoral vote count and the statistical loss by Trump are 2 separate numbers that have nothing to do with one another and I have never said other wise despite your B.S claim that I have. Once again you pretend that the statistic of a 3million vote loss is meaningless. But it's not. Fact: it's an anomaly and an unprecedented number in the history of Presidential elections for an elected President to be crushed like that. Fact :Trump could not even win his home state which tells us that even if he had campaigned differentially he might have gained another 500,000 more votes throughout the country but could never have overcome his overwhelming loss of 3million plus votes. Fact: Trump himself has stated without evidence that there are 3 million fraudulent votes in the election. And he still maintains it till this day. This proves that he recognizes the statistic of a 3 million vote loss. So the president betrays you even as you protest the 3 million vote loss statistic. .You will never eliminate Trumps 3 million vote loss from current events for from history.

    Without evidence, Trump tells lawmakers 3 million to 5 ..votes were fraudulent.
    ... Trump tells lawmakers 3 million to 5 million illegal ballots cost him the popular vote. ... Clinton won the popular vote by more than 2.8 million votes.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/23/at...


    President-elect is now 2.8 million votes behind Hillary Clinton - five times more than the second biggest deficit
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...n-us-election-president-history-a7470116.html

    It's official: Clinton swamps Trump in popular vote ...
    Dec 21, 2016 · Clinton outpaced Trump by almost 2.9 million votes; She lost ... Samuel Tilden received 3% more votes than ... that he would have won the popular vote,
    https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/donald-trump-hillary...

    Nearly a third of Republicans don’t know that Trump lost ...
    Watch video · Nearly a third of Republicans don’t know that Trump lost the popular vote. ... More than 8-in-10 ... Nearly a third of Republicans either didn't answer or
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/08/nearly-a...

    Trump tells Congressional leaders 3-5 million ... - Fox News

    Jan 24, 2017 · President Donald Trump claimed at a meeting with congressional leaders Monday that he lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton in last year's election because between three million and five million illegals cast ballots, multiple sources told Fox News.
    www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/24/trump-tells-congressional...


    Hillary Clinton Won Popular Vote Over Donald Trump, but by ...Watch video · Hillary Clinton has won the popular vote over Donald Trump by more than 2.2 million votes, and her lead could grow by the time all of the nation's votes are counted — read more
    https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/hillary-clinton-won...

    Hillary Clinton's Final Popular Vote Lead Is 2.8 Million ...
    Hillary Clinton's lead in the popular vote of the 2016 presidential election was nearly three million votes more than Donald Trump
    time.com/4608555/hillary-clinton-popular-vote-final

    Clinton’s Substantial Popular-Vote Win - The New York Times
    Nov 11, 2016 · Clinton’s Substantial Popular-Vote Win. ... be ahead by more than 2 million votes and more than 1 ... won and lost on the national popular vote
    https://www.nytimes.com/.../clintons-substantial-popular-vote-win.html
     
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    America is comprised of a collection of fifty equally important STATES, which are comprised of equally important residents, who have an equally important say in who sits behind the Oval Office desk.
     
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    Great Stuff!

    NeverTrumpers: What if Trump really is making America great again?

    They are afflicted with a nagging suspicion. Trump might, how shall they whisper it, Make America Great Again.

    The tax bill has given the economy a bit of a tailwind, most Americans have more money in their pockets, and corporations have greater incentives to step up spending and to bring some funds home. The NAFTA trade agreement with Mexico and Canada likely will be revised to America’s advantage. The president’s decision to punish Assad for crossing the red line that Obama refused to enforce is popular and his decision to defer to his military advisers and keep the response targeted so as not to induce a response from Russia has met with broad approval. His threats against North Korea—my nukes are bigger than your nukes—appalled the fastidious members of the establishment diplomatic community, but have Kim Jong-un claiming to be willing to negotiate a peace treaty with South Korea and détente with the United States.

    Then there is China. Trump has done what previous administrations failed to do: forced China to make some concessions, opening at least a crack in the wall it has erected against imports. Majority-owned American financial firms will gain entry into several sectors, and tariffs on made-in-America automobiles will come down, while the United States tightens restrictions on intellectual property theft by the Chinese regime, in part by limiting China’s ability to buy tech-heavy U.S. firms. Even dyed-in-the-cotton-apparel free-traders are now conceding that the president’s negotiating tactic—threaten to bring down the international system, unless it gets fixed—is working. And should have been tried administrations ago. . . .

    So here is BT and AT:

    Before Trump, Assad could use chemical weapons with impunity; after Trump, he pays a steep price. BT, China could plunder American intellectual property and disregard the rules of the trading system that it has manipulated in its rise to power; AT, it fears Trump’s tariffs sufficiently to begin modifying its unfair trading practices. BT, Russia could wage cyberwar on the U.S. electoral system without fear of response from America; AT, Putin and his oligarch cronies find themselves being cut off from access to the world financial system. BT, the economy was mired in sub-trend growth; AT and his tax cut, growth is up. BT, in the post-war years most presidents projected a dignity of sorts; AT, presidential dignity is not even considered a virtue.

    Seems like a fair deal.
     
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    Quibble exact numbers if you want but there is no denying the constant attack by the media meant to drag Trump's numbers into the toilet like they did with bush has failed.
     
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    Yup fair deal.

    I expect the author to be able to add North Korea to that passage before too long.
     
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    This a is very simplistic notion of how voters are represented in U.S. elections therefore terribly inaccurate. But points for trying.


    The electorals are not proportional to the population of each state. For example Wyoming has 2 electorals automatically based on the fact that the state has two senators. But its voting population is only 445,830 New York state also gets only 2 electorals based on the fact that is also gets only 2 Senator s even though the numbers of voters in New York State is 15million. Wyoming Jumps ahead because its voters have more elective power per vote than voters in New York state. Of course this changes once we add in the rest of the electorals each state gets based on proportion of population.

    Population vs. Electoral Votes

    "Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people. However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

    This is a link to the elective power per voter per state."

    https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/fairvote/pages/199/attachments/original/1450119297/2008votersperelector.pdf?1450119297



    This is link to the article in general.

    http://www.fairvote.org/population_vs_electoral_votes
     
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    You are portraying that Trump actually lost the election. He didn’t. Our election for president is done by the electoral college, there is no actual popular vote tally. When the statistic is based off candidates campaigning for the electoral college votes, it’s not really what it claims to be.
     
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    There’s no popular vote tally? You meet someone made up all those numbers of people who voted? You are right he won the electoral college but in each state that he wanted it was by a very small margin
     

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