Trump Tower Funded by Rich Chinese Who Invest Cash for Visas

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  1. Merwen

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    Your response completely ignores weapons profiteering and profits from subcontracting operations.

    And we did not immediately go into Afghanistan after 9-11, because GWB and crew used that as an impetus to go into Iraq instead. Additionally, simply imposing a different form of government on a country has never been seen as a justification for warfare.
     
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    He said he would renegotiate treaties and get us better deals. Maybe this is one of the tradeoffs he is willing to make. Either way, that he is involved in international business gives him real world experience.

    Vote for whomever. I have already voted so I get no more say until Election Day.
     
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    All immigrants, or just illegal immigrants, banks, and politicians who have allowed outsourcing to become the only viable option for many manufacturers?

    You say all immigrants, even though you know he only wishes to stop illegal immigration. There is a reason there are laws concerning immigration and it has to do with economic standards expected by Americans.

    If we are supposed to simply give up those standards and be happy with our stagnant wages while the rich make record profits, then say so. You have a right to that opinion. I disagree and that is why I support Trump.
     
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    Weapons profiteering has been going on longer than this country has been founded and subcontracting is by no means corporate welfare. neither are examples of globalization or corporate welfare.

    We invade Afghanistan in late 2001. We are in the Toro Boro region, which is on the border of the Pakistan/Afghanistan border trying to find OBL before we invaded Iraq. Bush pulled those troops out and sent them to Iraq. As for the government, that was a choice by the Afghan people, not the United States. And that country has been screwed up since the Soviet invasion in 1979.
     
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    We invaded Afghanistan less than a month after 911. That's pretty immediate.
     
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    His policy paper on immigration talks about having companies pay a tax for hiring H-1b visa workers. H-1b are legal immigrants. He is also imposing tariffs, taxes, and other incentives to not allow companies to move when it is economically desirable for the company to survive. the main reason why subcontracting has increased its importance is because of the JIT methodology to expect quality at reduced cost and time. Companies that can deliver goods or services timely, efficiently, and competitively survive, grow, and create jobs whether that location is here in the United States or elsewhere. We do not produce all goods effectively or efficiently where we can keep all jobs here. It is unrealistic, business wise.
     
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    Fair enough, but I don't think taxing H-1b visas constitutes presenting them as scapegoats for America's economic woes, which was your first statement.

    When there are capable Americans, the jobs should go to them first. Businesses take advantage of the lowest wage standards of those visa recipients. A tax would level the playing field.

    Part of what makes outsourcing a matter of survival is the fact that the competition already benefits from it. This is why it is so absurd to blame the businesses and not the government. Protectionist policies would aim to eliminate the advantage, which would allow businesses to stay in America, if they choose.

    Personally, I would support laws that establish rights for foreign workers under American businesses, including a minimum wage. But that would be so difficult to enforce, it leaves tariffs as the only viable strategy.
     
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    Yes; the focus was switched to Iraq so quickly I had forgotten that.
     
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    I love these long time "newbies" that call Corporations "Government".

    The Corporations run the Government and the Government runs the program. This is obvious to anyone with a 10 year old brain.

    Then says, "You don't want to elect Trump because the Government is corrupt?"

    Trump admitted, "I was the establishment 8 years ago, now I'm not". When the Corporation becomes the President of the United States, it's clearly not called the establishment anymore.....It's called a KINGDOM....
     
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    And Trumps buildings were only possible because he made handshakes with Government. He didn't have to pay certain amounts of taxes on his property because he "kind of " friended the mayor, more of a business deal.

    It's nice because the property once bad is now "elite". But why does 1 person get a "no tax deal" when others don't just because he has 1 million of daddy's money?
     
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    H-1b workers are being touted as a scapegoat every time someone talks about how immigrants depress wages, namely H-1b, H2b, and a few others. And thus by restricting legal immigrant workers, then somehow wages would rise. The groups that advocate this, with fall on both the left and right side of the aisle misapply and misinterpret why wages have been suppressed for the last four decades.

    The issue with immigration is actually tied to the issue of education. We are using education as an institution and as a platform for knowledge. Knowledge is great, but for a vast majority of jobs, it has to do with skill. Universities do not teach skill as much as they teach knowledge. And they teach the knowledge as a way to tout those "higher standards" in education. Compared to how skills are taught in foreign countries at the university level, the average American worker is losing the job sills at the expense of the piece of paper where that degree is printed on. OTOH, employers are stressing they are not in the education business and have expressed, for quite a long time, that universities should teach job skills that employers need, not the other way around. Gone are the days of apprenticeships for clerks, accountants, engineers, and other notable fields, except maybe law and blue collar trade jobs. Neither the GOP nor the DEM are addressing these core issues, unfortunately.

    At the same time, markets are being more and more enjoined and the flow of human capital, aka workers, is becoming more and more prevalent. But American workers are less likely to travel abroad to gain those job skills while having the prestige of that university diploma. Most workers do not even want to contemplate that and adjust to the marketplace of where the jobs are actually at.

    Note: foreign workers fall under the same jurisdiction and protection of US law as US citizens. The problem is, however, that many are afraid of reporting such crimes in fear of deportation, like the Houston case of a couple who used the immigration system for a foreign worker as a slave. The foreign worker is going to be deported because technically, she was out of status under the law with no relief in sight.

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    H-1b workers are being touted as a scapegoat every time someone talks about how immigrants depress wages, namely H-1b, H2b, and a few others. And thus by restricting legal immigrant workers, then somehow wages would rise. The groups that advocate this, with fall on both the left and right side of the aisle misapply and misinterpret why wages have been suppressed for the last four decades.

    The issue with immigration is actually tied to the issue of education. We are using education as an institution and as a platform for knowledge. Knowledge is great, but for a vast majority of jobs, it has to do with skill. Universities do not teach skill as much as they teach knowledge. And they teach the knowledge as a way to tout those "higher standards" in education. Compared to how skills are taught in foreign countries at the university level, the average American worker is losing the job sills at the expense of the piece of paper where that degree is printed on. OTOH, employers are stressing they are not in the education business and have expressed, for quite a long time, that universities should teach job skills that employers need, not the other way around. Gone are the days of apprenticeships for clerks, accountants, engineers, and other notable fields, except maybe law and blue collar trade jobs. Neither the GOP nor the DEM are addressing these core issues, unfortunately.

    At the same time, markets are being more and more enjoined and the flow of human capital, aka workers, is becoming more and more prevalent. But American workers are less likely to travel abroad to gain those job skills while having the prestige of that university diploma. Most workers do not even want to contemplate that and adjust to the marketplace of where the jobs are actually at.

    Note: foreign workers fall under the same jurisdiction and protection of US law as US citizens. The problem is, however, that many are afraid of reporting such crimes in fear of deportation, like the Houston case of a couple who used the immigration system for a foreign worker as a slave. The foreign worker is going to be deported because technically, she was out of status under the law with no relief in sight.

    - - - Updated - - -

    H-1b workers are being touted as a scapegoat every time someone talks about how immigrants depress wages, namely H-1b, H2b, and a few others. And thus by restricting legal immigrant workers, then somehow wages would rise. The groups that advocate this, with fall on both the left and right side of the aisle misapply and misinterpret why wages have been suppressed for the last four decades.

    The issue with immigration is actually tied to the issue of education. We are using education as an institution and as a platform for knowledge. Knowledge is great, but for a vast majority of jobs, it has to do with skill. Universities do not teach skill as much as they teach knowledge. And they teach the knowledge as a way to tout those "higher standards" in education. Compared to how skills are taught in foreign countries at the university level, the average American worker is losing the job sills at the expense of the piece of paper where that degree is printed on. OTOH, employers are stressing they are not in the education business and have expressed, for quite a long time, that universities should teach job skills that employers need, not the other way around. Gone are the days of apprenticeships for clerks, accountants, engineers, and other notable fields, except maybe law and blue collar trade jobs. Neither the GOP nor the DEM are addressing these core issues, unfortunately.

    At the same time, markets are being more and more enjoined and the flow of human capital, aka workers, is becoming more and more prevalent. But American workers are less likely to travel abroad to gain those job skills while having the prestige of that university diploma. Most workers do not even want to contemplate that and adjust to the marketplace of where the jobs are actually at.

    Note: foreign workers fall under the same jurisdiction and protection of US law as US citizens. The problem is, however, that many are afraid of reporting such crimes in fear of deportation, like the Houston case of a couple who used the immigration system for a foreign worker as a slave. The foreign worker is going to be deported because technically, she was out of status under the law with no relief in sight.
     
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    Lmao yet he was! And Comey didn’t tell us....
     
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    Dredging up old TDS threads?
     
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    He does appear to be focusing on one poster in particular.
     

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