Why do people who don't benefit from Liberal elitism support it?

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  1. TheFixer

    TheFixer Active Member

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    Liberal elitism proposes wealth for a select few, and peasantry for the rest. How can people who will definitely be part of the peasantry stiil support the idea? In other words, how did Hillary Clinton receive 65M votes?
     
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    Sounds like a fair description of capitalism.

    "Liberalism"? What does it mean to you? If you're referring to an elite then you might need to think again. If you mean a elite that pretends it isn't an elite and professes to appreciate working class people then both major parties in the US are stuffed with people who think that way.
     
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    AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS Well-Known Member

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    To look cool infront of their friends because it is the fad..

    Who ever can claim to be the biggest victim wins..
    Runners up are decided by how loudly they can screach SJW support and point out microagressions..

    The only way to be in the cool kids club with them if you are wight is to display white guilt..
     
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    tomander7020 Well-Known Member

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    Because the alternative was to vote for Donald Trump. Hilliary Clinton represents the wealthy class. Donald Trump is a member of it and furthered its objectives by signing the tax cut bill for the rich.
     
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    tomander7020 Well-Known Member

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    Huh? What's that got to do with elite Donald Trump signing big tax cuts for himself and his wealthy buddies? I would hardly refer to Donald Trump or the coal miners who are willingly letting Donald Trump exploit them as "cool kids." To me its incomprehensible that farmers, coal miners, etc. would back an elitist who is causing them to fall deeper into poverty. I don't think being "cool" explains it.
     
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    here's a cool experiment you can do in order to understand other perspectives: suspend your disbelief and imagine what the world as they see it is like and consider what ideological common ground you share. this is called "empathy"
     
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    They put their fingers in their ears and refuse to listen.

    They have bought the snake oil and will fight for their right to not learn that they are being used.

    Meanwhile, the modern elites are also refusing to learn anything that might challenge their beliefs.

    https://www.firstthings.com/article/2018/04/the-ignoble-lie
     
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    Cmon...everyone knows that Republicans have finally figured out that THEY have been bamboozled by the GOP for 30 years...and their response was



    TRUMP
     
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    True... Actually it was the creation of the Tea Party in 2009. The spirit of the Tea Party was present in the 2010, 2014, and 2016 elections. Trump ran on the Tea Party platform (even though the name "Tea Party" had fizzled by then). Nonetheless, Conservatives' unhappiness with the Jeb-Bush-Establishment-GOP was the main reason why Trump was elected.

    So why do Democrats keep supporting Liberal Elitists like Hillary Clinton?
     
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    "Support" Hillary Clinton is far too generous. I didn't want to vote but I have never missed an election. So, I compromised and voted for the least worse. Regrettably, someone had to win and it was Trump.
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    And the elites of both parties oppose him.

    And the useful idiots of both parties support their respective elites.
     
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    That's your problem. He's your solution...and what a mess THAT is.

    But don't try to project your issues on the opposition
     
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    "But don't try to project your issues on the opposition"

    You're projecting.
     
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    PeeWee Herman Defense...poorly executed
     
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    The raging masses are generally ignorant. Most folks who vote Dem - do not even know what "liberalism" is.... never mind classical liberalism.
     
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    True. Sadly, Dems miss this. They mindlessly support the eltist candidate that is chosen for them. In 2016, Republicans said "FU" to the establishment.
     
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    Learning opportunity. Some readers may be agnostic on the issue and would appreciate a critique.
     
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    I think you were right on the money up until the last question. It should have read, "How did Donald J. Trump, a member of the economically liberal wealthy elite, get elected president?"

    Do you know what liberalism means when it comes to economics? It essentially means Darwin economics or dog-eat-dog economics. In other words, it means as little regulation as possible: let the rich exploit the rest of us. Donald Trump is a member of the wealthy elite who benefits from his administration's economic liberalism.
     
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    Maybe it is the fact the democrat leaders are really convincing liars.
     
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    That's the problem we have today in the U.S. I'll use rough numbers (not scientifically precise) to make the point.

    In the 1950's, there was much common ground. The two "extreme" groups (liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans) probably agreed on 75% of public policy issues and disagreed on the other 25%.

    Today, those numbers are reversed. They agree on 25% of public policy issues (if that), and disagree on 75%. We have very little overlap and common ground. If I wasn't working a full time job and could complete a Ph.D. dissertation, I'd try to explain why this has occurred over the last 60 years.
     
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    All anyone would need to do is to study what Trump did to the people of ATLANTIC CITY.
     
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    ...to those predisposed.
     
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    Good point!

    As a somewhat relevant side note, as an early teenager, I lived with my mother in an apartment complex on Virginia Avenue in Atlantic City. I had a summer job as a bathhouse attendant in a family-run hotel across the street. Trump's Taj Mahal Casino gobbled up the whole area.

    As he did with his other casinos in Atlantic City, Trump milked the place dry and it went bankrupt. Trump made a big haul, but those investors and bond holders who were naif enough to believe his bullcrap about his business acumen were left holding the bag and suffered big losses. He also caused a number of contractors and suppliers to go bankrupt when he did not pay them.

    That is an example of liberal economic policy with insufficient regulation. Trump should never have been able to borrow money and cheat shareholders and contractors. No one was watching the store while Trump absconded with millions.

    Now Trump is pulling the same stunt with the American people. He will abscond from his presidency with billions, and we will be left to pay off the ballooning national debt.
     

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