The Blue Muslim Wave: American Muslims launch political campaigns and hope to bring Trump 'justice'

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  1. Mac-7

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    The lib value is that hedonism is ok and personal responsibilty is not necessary

    As for blsvk pilots the fit into the white air force because they dont fly differently than white

    Just the opposite of diversity
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    It everybody uses the same techniques then diversity won't make any difference obviously. So what? Due mainly to geographic and historic differences (Italy has the best marble and had the Catholic Church, which built largely in stone) Italians are still known as good stonemasons, this means no one but Italians should ever be allowed to become stonemasons?
     
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    It means diversity is not strength, as many claim without any sound reason. This undercuts one of the rationales for affirmative action. It also undercuts the rationale for diversity in immigration.

    If a shop has a disproportionate number of Italian stonemasons it should be not be accused of discrimination.
     
  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    So how does being hedonistic mean that one doesn't believe in education and hard work and shirks personal responsibility?

    And isn't it just as correct to say the whites fit into the black man's air force, since they all had to fly the same?
     
  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Anything claimed without sound reason is as likely wrong as right, and since there are many ways to be wrong and usually very few or just one to be right, they are usually wrong.

    Frex, the idea that whites are a superior race in general.
     
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    Not getting an education?

    I have two college degrees as do others in the hood where I live.

    Working?

    I've had multiple jobs.


    As for those other things, nope, not for me.


    Despite all the hard work and education I still live in the ghetto. Same with many others I know. The problem is the lack of opportunity, not lack of effort to succeed.





    They also see white women as the biggest beneficiaries of AA thereby enriching the white middle/upper class.
     
  7. Pycckia

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    There are many sound reasons to think so. They have developed the most powerful armies, the soundest economic theories, superior political philosophies, the most sublime music and art, and have made startling scientific discoveries.
    Other cultures adopt all of these advances while there is little reason for us to adopt any of the ideas of other cultures.

    I use the moon landing as the emblem of white superiority. White men developed the science needed for a moon landing. They developed the economy necessary to finance the adventure. They had the pluck to try. And they succeeded.


    The usual rejoinder to these obvious facts is the progressives invoking cultural relativism, i.e. the principle that one cannot in fact rank any culture as superior or inferior. I reject that formulation as nihilistic and ultimately self-defeating. A cultural relativist, if he is being honest, cannot declare diversity as superior to homogeneity,
     
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    Yes, we know

    The internet is full of above average liberals

    They tell us so all the time
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    The White race has only been the dominant one on this planet for about 400 years, if you look throughout history the Dominant one for the longest time was the Chinese/Japanese. It is very possible they are getting ready to be dominant again and if that happens then Western Culture's period of preeminence will be viewable as a rather small interregnum in the Middle Kingdom's near continuous rule of Earth's intellectual and physical achievements .

    Which is all silly, no culture or race is now or has ever been superior to any other, not to any measurable extent exceeding that of individuals within the races and if it doesn't do that then the entire metric is utterly meaningless, not even of academic interest really because it is so likely to mislead rather than enlighten.
     
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    Let it be known from this point forward, the I, Alif Qadr, was NEVER a Democrat and will never be a Democrat, nor will I follow the proclamations of another. Whom I support and why I support whom I support, is completely of my own accord.
    With this being stated, I once supported Donald J. Trump UNTIL he decided to bomb Syria which is a nation who has never done anything against these United States of [North] America.
     
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    Pycckia, earlier I was watching a video by a supposed "ex-KGB" agent and what he was discussing caused me to think of what is taking place in America.
    Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov
     
  12. Pycckia

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    You ought to read some history. The Greeks (from whom I get a large dollop of DNA, btw, which I mention because you asked) invented science and achieved mathematical knowledge that surpassed anything ever independently by other cultures. The Romans dominated much of the world. I would have to check, but I think the landmass they controlled was greater than that of any Chinese Emperor.

    Europe was hit by a one-two punch of barbarian conquest and disease but recovered nicely (and you date European dominance only from that recovery).

    The Chinese may come to dominate the planet again if liberals sufficiently demoralize white people as they seem intent on doing.

    I do acknowledge the high culture and sophistication of the Chinese and Japanese and can assure you they think of themselves as superior races, also. They especially look down on the darker skinned peoples of this planet.

    Fwiw, I just read an article that the Hindus are quite racist, also. I'd like to hear about these societies you say exist that are cheerfully multicultural. I can't think of any.

    I have given several metrics: military, economic, scientific and cultural. In which do you dispute European superiority?
     
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    no, in America we have freedom and that includes religious freedom... believe what ever you want as long as you follow the law no one will try to stop you

    now the Peyote religion is still fighting for religious freedom, only Indians can practice that religion in the privacy of their own homes right now

    the government forcing religion on it's citizens is unconstitutional and unAmerican
     
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  14. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Read the bolded part again. INTRA-GROUP differences ALWAYS exceed INTER-GROUP differences. (I have heard that called the Golden Rule of Ethnology) and that is a function of how NUMBERS work not any observed characteristic. The group numbers are AVERAGES and in averages the highs and lows equal out whereas individual measurements stand alone. A Black genius is still a genius even when compared to whites or Asians

    I was going to mention the Greeks but thought you might say I was picking on white culture. You see, they had the chance to invent the Scientific Method 2000 years early, and missed it. Most historians credit the invention of the SM as being the REAL thing that has made the advances of the modern world and the white culture just happened to be the dominant one when it was stumbled upon in the 1600's. (largely by one INDIVIDUAL, Galileo, though others picked it up) So whites DO exceed other races in one respect, they are luckier

    And now some questions I forgot:

    If European culture is so superior then why was Europe a cultural backwater throughout the vast majority of recorded history?

    If all ethnicities hate each other so much and the Europeans are superior then why haven't we killed them all off millenia ago?

    You want examples of ethnicities getting along? I can point out all ethnicities in all areas of the globe throughout history, they wouldn't be there otherwise. Yes, there is conflict, there is always conflict, even WHITES are almost constantly killing each other all the time, Homo Homini Lupus as I said before and, as I said before, you are cherry picking to back your point.

    And my final question, if indeed, you are one of the superior group then why are you so upset about others not acknowledging that? If what you say is true why not simply go ahead and be superior and bask in the admiring gazes of those benighted inferiors unsuspecting of your true greatness. Isn't being underestimated an advantage over everybody?
     
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    Actually, they learned that from Egyptians.
    See Herodotus, The Histories
     
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    Apparently using the “C-word” really pushed your button

    Christians never forced you the accept Christ

    But it was their steady calm influence on America that made it a grat place for athiests to live also
     
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    The Greeks learned plane geometry from the ancient Egyptians (for whom I have a great deal of admiration) and they learned the observation of the heavens from the Babylonians.

    The Greeks invented spherical geometry (which no other race did independently) and applied that discipline to the observations of the motion of the stars and planets. They did so from the conviction that the world could be understood through reason and succeeded in being able to predict the motion of the planets.

    That was the birth of science.
     
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    Revisionist history.

    Here, learn something:


    https://www.ancient.eu/article/967/ancient-egyptian-science--technology/
     
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    so you are against American values?
     
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    I don't understand how being pro immigrant and pro refugee is being the opposite to Trump. I guess somehow because he is anti ILLEGAL immigration.
     
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    Not at all. We just disagree on what they are.
     
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    I am familiar with Egyptian science and technology. In fact I saw first hand what you have only seen in pictures.

    I am also familiar with the history of science and had the privilege of being taught that subject at Harvard. The Egyptians did good. The Greeks did much better, "Mr. Truth." It is your version which is revisionist based on a single work by an obscure scholar.
     
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    Trump is also against legal immigration.

    he wants to cut the number of illegal immigrants in half, end the Diversity Lottery, end family unification, and focus on white immigrants.
     
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    I answered your post, but it was deleted as "flame bait." I am not sure why.

    But I figure it would be useless to reproduce it. Suffice it to say I find the Western Tradition under attack and I would defend it.
     
  25. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    How strange. I asked a similar question of another poster some time ago and had results similar yours. I can't see why either. I am going to ask a mod

    In the meantime I will ask the obvious question, what is attacking the Western Tradition, and how?
     

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