I am going to make a prediction. Right wingers dont think they did anything wrong in Flint.

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I realize that liberals don't know the difference between leadership and dictatorship. It's obvious. Sad, but obvious.
     
  2. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    YEs, you right wingers are drawn to authoritarians, like a mark to a conman. You call a dictator, SIMPLY a leader. And ignoring and dictating to liberals, is YOUR AGENDA, and what you intend, on a national scale.
     
  3. flewism

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    You are not batting at all, sitting on the end of the bench crying about life being unfair, just like Karen Weaver the current Flint mayor wining on TV every chance she gets and doing nothing.

    Snyder is on the hook, the is top dog in the state, Flint residents are residents of the state. Even thou multiple people and agencies failed including state agencies which work for him to benefit all state residents.

    At least he stood up and said so unlike all the democrats who were way closer to the issue daily.

    Lets talk about Detroit, specifically the Detroit Public School bailout. 615 million state tax payer dollars, $500 million to payoff past debt and $117 million to help jump start new district on top of current funding.

    Detroit has 681,000 residents, 45,000 kids in DPS, less than 7% of Detroit resident attend K thru 12 and the other 93% cannot support the 7% that attend school, and two year later DSP is ranked dead last in the nation in testing.

    Lets look at the city of Monroe an average school district. 19,986 residents, 4800 kids K thru 12, 24% of city residents attend Monroe public schools and they run a balanced budget every year why? Might be because people in Monroe pay taxes? Care to explain?
     
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    Dude they had fresking forty years to solve the problem. Why didn't they?
     
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    There was lead in the pipes in Flint for years and it wasn't a problem. The problem came when Republicans changed the water source and didn't treat the water so that it wouldn't leach the lead out of it ...
     
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    Who has run Flint and the State of Michigan for several decades?

    Not Republicans....
     
  7. Lesh

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    Talking about the governor? The guy who just ended water shipments to Flint even though the problem is still ongoing?
     
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    Repub/consers/righties shouldn't be blaming anyone in government since they do NOT believe government has the responsibility to take care of it's citizens.

    They seem to feel citizens should provide their own clean water....I don't know what they think government is for ...maybe only wars and reality show/circus entertainment ?
     
  9. Lesh

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    The Governor took over the local government and changed their water source. Keep up
     
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    In 2002, Genesee County bought 230 acres of property north of Port Huron with 342 feet of lake frontage to serve as a withdrawal point for lake water. In 2009, the state approved a withdrawal permit for the newly formed Karegnondi Water Authority to withdraw 85 million gallons of water a day from Lake Huron.

    In 2013, the Flint City Council voted 7-1 to join the new authority, and Darnell Earley, the state-appointed emergency manager overseeing Flint at the time, signed an order to make it happen.

    That decision prompted Detroit to exercise a 12-month termination clause in its contract with Flint, The city began searching for a new water source until the Karegnondi pipeline from Lake Huron was completed and turned to its longtime backup source, the Flint River.

    In July 2011, the engineering firm Rowe completed a report titled "Analysis of the Flint River as a Permanent Water Supply for the City of Flint," for then-Mayor Dayne Walling. The report noted that treating river water on a daily basis was going to be challenging and more expensive than treating lake water, but concluded it could be done if improvements to Flint's water treatment plant were made.

    "Although the water treatment plant has been maintained and operated as a backup water supply, there have been numerous changes in regulations and standards since the water treatment plant last supplied water on a continuous basis," the Rowe report noted. "Preliminary analysis indicates that water from the river can be treated to meet current regulations; however, additional treatment will be required than for Lake Huron water."

    When the city switched to Flint River water in April 2014, residents began complaining almost immediately of discolored, foul-smelling water from their taps. Later that year, high levels of coliform bacteria in drinking water prompted boil-water advisories. The city's efforts to disinfect it produced a disinfection by-product known as trihalomethanes, which can cause cancer.

    By early 2015, higher lead levels were showing up in the water. The Michigan Department of Environment Quality initially dismissed the reports until September when a pediatrician showed that blood lead levels in Flint children spiked after the water switch. After months of telling residents the water was safe, state officials finally acknowledged they had applied the wrong standard to Flint when they supervised the switch — and did not do the necessary corrosion control.

    Edwards said the lead leaching into the water was predictable because of the chloride content of the water and the lack of phosphates.

    "If the corrosion inhibitor had been used, this would have been deemed a success," Edwards said. "As crazy as it sounds.""

    No, the city wanted a new source of water, found one but moved on it before it could be utilized triggering a default in their contract with Detroit water their then current source, and then THE CITY chose the flint river and didn't install the proper controls.

    The state was writing the checks, the city was doing the work. City's **** up.

    And you're either lying or simply ignorant: the governor didn't order the change.
     
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    Now were Republicans responsible for Flint?
     
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    I suppose in bizarro world it could be claimed it is the Republican's fault for losing elections to Democrats who ran both the city and state for decades. Curious theory of responsibility.
     
  13. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe ADAM was a Republican, why didn't he?
     
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    There was no Flint Michigan then. What's your excuse???
     
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    Thanks for that, really! I'm a bit of a amateur botanist and into deep water culture hydroponics.. Until now I wondered why my water here is always has a constant PH of 8.1 and the most costly conditioner is PH-down. So from what I read the build up of "Calcification" due to high PH levels "Hard water" works as a barrier and acidic PH levels decalcify and actually erode the lead pipe..

    Welcome learn, thanks man, and your right, one little additive would have been so much easier :(
     
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    Yes he did, Flint water has tested clean for 15 month straight at hundreds of testing sights and all the pipes are recoated since they are back on Detroit water.

    Plus the State is still replacing everybody's water lines including those on private property.

    Plus the millions and millions of dollars for extra services for Flint residents, and all they do is get on the television and bitch it is not enough and how the world screwed them over.
     
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    You mean the Democrat city council that made all the bad decisions and the Obama EPA that tried to cover it up?
     
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    The job is not complete. The pipes are still bad. The water is still leaching lead...and the Governor cut off water supplies
     
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    No. The Governors people who ORDERED that over the objection of the "Democrat city council"
     
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    No.

    I mean the corrupt, inept democrats on the city council that sucked so badly at their jobs that they had an emergency manager in 2014.

    In 2013, said corrupt, inept democrat city council members VOTED to switch to a new pipeline through the Karegnondi Water Authority. Problem was, it wouldn't be completed for another 3 years.

    Detroit water found out about the vote, and decided to terminate their service.

    Democrat Darnell Earley then sent this letter to Detroit water saying "well just suck water out of the river then".

    http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.ne...ter.pdf?_ga=1.224901786.1036207224.1446746452

    All of it voted on and rolled into motion by inept Democrats.
     
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    No problem with dems enthusiastically signing off on the plan eh? Typical left wing hypoc
    LOL, dems went along with it. You seem to think someone woke up one day and decided to poison people. That must just be projection.
     
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    Went along with it?

    The Governor's people took over city management. They had no choice
     
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    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/15/whos-blame-flint-water-crisis/

    Don't EVEN blame the City Council. Yes they agreed...but it was ultimately a decision made by the Governor's EM. More importantly the problem is ongoing and clean watr supplies have been ended.
     
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    Still doesn’t change the facts.
     
  25. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    FACTS being, Dems are ALWAYS to blame, as they either are responsible for all bad in cities, or, they allowed the Republicans , who were in charge, to do so, or, they were in charge at one time, and should have paved the streets in gold.
     

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