well I am not sure I understand what you are saying there but I do not think I agree. Oh I think as far as keeping Gaza clear of the most extreme that is so. However years ago Crises Group warned Israel that because she was refusing to talk to Hamas, the people of Gaza were moving to more extreme groups in desperation. They warned Israel this could create much worse problems but on the whole Hamas has still be able to keep them in check. I will be honest with you Gilos if I had gone through what the people of Gaza have gone through I am not sure it would be possible to make peace with me. However as you may remember Alistair Crooke was able to get Hamas nearing the point that he believed they were ready to genuinely join in real peace talks. At that time Blair acting on Bushes demands got the EU to declare Hamas a Terrorist group and in effect end Oslo. I have much more faith that it would be possible to reach an agreement with Hamas. However Israel has always demanded she put down her weapons before she will talk and if you notice what happened to the West Bank when they put down theirs....Alistair Crooke said that, as in N Ireland, would be the last thing which was done as that is the only thing they have to barter with - however tiny it is. Anyway here is someone else who has faith in Hamas, certainly under its previous leader. https://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/30/henry_siegman_leading_voice_of_us I put in a lot there. It is a very good video as are lots of Seigman's article. Hamas can be negotiated with but I do not think your Government has been wanting that. If you keep Hamas out of it, as Crooke noted when they were declared a Terrorist Group,it makes the possibility of a resolution impossible. Without Hamas in talks it would not be possible to get the supposed 'Peace Talks' resolved and that is how things have been which has suited your Government well. Apartheid Colony? The West Bank? Terrorists wanting to take over the world? Saudi wahhabi extremists? Good idea
The current Israeli Gov is not the one to talk with Hamas even if such a thing is possible, I agree, btw, the best thing you can get from an Israeli is not to vote for a right wing party and in that you already have me so no matter how hot our discussions become - you already have me
I'm backing no one, the problem you have... is that you are... you are backing Iran and the only reason you don't like my post. You blame Saudi's I blame both, but because I don't support you backing the Saudi's I now back the other side.... this your side, my side posting is really boring. Iran should not be in Yemen Saudi Arabia is causing a terrible humanitarian crisis, but so is Iran, they use Syrian and Afghan refugees as cannon fodder in Yemen...
Then stop blaming only 1 side here and of course only the not US friend side = Iran! You have only blamed Iran and also my country because a company of my country sold the stuff to Iran ... what is not even illegal by US law! And I am not backing Iran, but I accept realities which what the uS people have big problems to do too! Since these evil Mullahs occupied the US embassy in Theran about nearly 40 years ago and resist to any US and Iraeli try to destroy them, they are an enemy! The US hypocrisy here is just breathtaking and frightening! Yes, of course it has been a crime to occupy the embassy and take all as hostages, there is no question about! But this action was understandable (but not excuseable), because if the CIA actively plans, organize and directs the counter coup and reinstatement of the Shah, it is also a crime and anything but not legal, and the US has to follow the same international rules as everyone else others and what the US demands of others to comply!
Please do not twist facts here! I have never questioned Israel's right of self-defense, but what is this right after all? In the eyes of Israel, it justifies everything and any action against everything and everyone in ME ... international law and all other things completely unimportant and does not need to be respected by Israel. OK, your great protective power USA is not any better, like the other big powers China and Russia, but that does not make your actions more legal! And you have a lot of hatred through your own actions in the country! As long as the Palestinians living in Israel do not have the same rights as the Jewish Israelis, but are exposed to the pure bloodletting, you will have the self-inflicted problem for ever and for all eternity! Ask yourself one thing: How can it be that a farmer and Palestinian who has been lawfully owning a few acres of land in the West Jordan Land for generations, leaves his home in the morning and finds and has to accept an Israeli settlement illegally set up overnight on his land?
I'm just going to come right out and say it.....No I am not making equal opportunity posts to keep you happy. I'll criticise whoever I want in whatever amount I feel appropriate
How does international law deal with a Lebanese proxy led by Iran ? since like you said there is no war between Iran and Israel than why own a proxy that attacks Israel ? is Iran condemned by it? sanctioned by it ? than why are you trying to brain **** me ? if the law cannot deal with the threat than Israel will have unofficial actions where it needs to be, like I said before I rather have this than support a terror organization in Iran that bombs civilians ! The only way your words make sense to me is if you really thinks Hizbullah is not at war with Israel and not controlled by Iran. There are no Palestinians living in Israel, there are Israeli Arabs and they have same rights as Jews, the WB is not Israel, there is a military control over some areas and Palestinian control in others, should we annex it I will agree with you, as it is we are at an ethnic war over the same land that exceeds the WB territory. I would rather to have an agreement on the land but I also understand that if we are truly in this war "forever" than there is no reason to back down from anything, the right wing say as soon as we evacuate the WB they will proceed with Israel proper at much better start line, I get no excuse to deny that from Iran, Hamas or Hizbullah - those you think we should reason with.
Because Iran backs the Hezbollah and Hezbollah has the somehow saying in Lebanon, they are a proxy of the Iran? OK ... then you are a proxy of the USA same way... Sorry to enlighten you that not only the USA, Russia and China are allowed to have other puppets in the world who they are supporting and at least controlling ... others like Iran have the same right! And please do not come to me with this fairy tale about Hezbollah is just a bad terror organization because they did this and that act of terrorism. That would be pretty sacred of you, because that's you ... by the way, the term terrorist is now unimportant and uninteresting because totally abused ... is a consequence of the whole spiral of violence on which Israel has also quite vigorously turned! nteresting ... the West Bank is NOT the territory of Israel! OK ... why then are all Israelis living in this non-state territory under Israeli law, especially if they are the victims, but all Palestinians living there are virtually without rights, especially if they are victims of Israeli acts? No, the fact is that you simply claim the rights of the stronger one and pick the raisins out of the legal position that suits you, but does not cope with the non-Jewish part of the population you've conquered with the land! Pretty f *** if the country, what you conquer is not deserted, eh? Lets say it like this ... The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia has ... if it is true and no media lie is ... the right of existence of Israel no longer denied. With Egypt and Jordan you had made your free and even if you do not like you, you respect yourselves and your borders so far. When Iran was still ruled by the bloodthirsty Shah, you did not have any problems with Iran ... which is not surprising because the Shah was a puppet of the US as everyone knows. So basically, peace is not impossible ... But if you conquer country in wars and that is not deserted, you conquer also the population that lives in it ... but you have to come clear with it and must also the Palestinians slowly start to get along with! To put it in a nutshell: Either you give the WB back to Jordan or you will come to terms with the Palestinian part of the population and respect them with the same rights as Israelis! And vice versa, the same applies to the Palestinians in terms of living in Israel!
in other words... if you don't post the way I tell you to you're a hypocrite... think you are the real hypocrite here
I believe Iran fights on the good side in Yemen. As they did in Syria. And Lebanon. The way I see it Iran is the oppressed's sole hope in the ME. We, the occident, are backing the wrong sides in this conflict, IMO. We're the evil dudes since the end of the Cold War. You like evil?
No, that's not what I meant or said! It is certainly not hypocritical to express one's opinion that not everyone has to share ... But it is definitely hypocritical to attack, condemn and insult others for their actions like the head teacher, even though you do not do it better or otherwise by yourself ... or those you openly support and call our good friends and who are just as bad. like those who are accused of being evil!
I said I don't care if you name them a branch of Amnesty or GreenPeace, they fight us that's all I care about and while they do we sure as hell will fight them, our feud is over the existence of a Jewish state as Israel stands for, not over borders. Iran has Hizbullah much more than a sponsor, they are in full control over it. Its a disputed land that once belonged to Britain than Jordan conquered it and then Israel, was supposed to be part of a Palestinian state only they rejected that this land will be the only thing they get and continued with hostile acts, so now they live under military law, 50 years of them "protesting" by murder caused the existance of the settelments to become a national project that is our answer to the ethnic war, than we have Jerusalem which is a topic on its own, Israeli Arab relationship didn't start as equal, didn't developed to be equals and certainly not equal now, why are you asking questions as if they were ? What exactly am I to apologize here ? that we won the war/s ? No, just for us living at this era. Israel made mistakes dealing with the Palestinians and among their mistakes as well - here we are with our current mess, question is not what should have been done 50 or 30 years ago but what to do now, your suggestions do not fit either side goals, the Palestinians dont want to be part of Jordan and Israelis will not withdraw to an enemy. IMO tensions should ease throu economy and for that we need some solution to Hamas control over Gaza harbor.
As the old man said at the Millenia war games (the only guy to defeat the US war machine with an Iranian based Mil-Sim), “I seen what they’re defenses could handle, and I launched 10 more than that”
Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper is the kind of out-of-the-box genius that the US needs. His asymetrical methods were the shape of things to come, and , we hope, a wake-up call: Red, commanded by retired Marine Corps Lieutenant General Paul K. Van Riper, adopted an asymmetric strategy, in particular, using old methods to evade Blue's sophisticated electronic surveillance network. Van Riper used motorcycle messengers to transmit orders to front-line troops and World-War-II-style light signals to launch airplanes without radio communications. Red received an ultimatum from Blue, essentially a surrender document, demanding a response within 24 hours. Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected. At this point, the exercise was suspended, Blue's ships were "re-floated", and the rules of engagement were changed; this was later justified by General Peter Pace as follows: "You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing, or you put me back to life and you get 13 more days' worth of experiment out of me. Which is a better way to do it?" After the reset, both sides were ordered to follow predetermined plans of action. After the war game was restarted, its participants were forced to follow a script drafted to ensure a Blue Force victory. Among other rules imposed by this script, Red Force was ordered to turn on their anti-aircraft radar in order for them to be destroyed, and was not allowed to shoot down any of the aircraft bringing Blue Force troops ashore. Van Riper also claimed that exercise officials denied him the opportunity to use his own tactics and ideas against Blue Force, and that they also ordered Red Force not to use certain weapons systems against Blue Force and even ordered the location of Red Force units to be revealed. This led to accusations that the war game had turned from an honest, open, free playtest of U.S. war-fighting capabilities into a rigidly controlled and scripted exercise intended to end in an overwhelming U.S. victory, alleging that "$250 million was wasted". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002#Exercise_action
Yes I love evil you ask a dumb question you get a dumb answer lol As long as Iran is in Yemen there will be war, it's right next door to Saudi Arabia, there's no way they can just sit there and allow Iran a foothold in Yemen... it's suicidal. Therefore do I understand why Saudi Arabia is in Yemen, yes. For me the solution would be the withdrawal of Iran.... back to where they belong... Iran. ok whatever... see my post above your quote for my position on the situation. If Saudi Arabia withdrew they would only be fighting this exact same war on their own territory
Iran has never been 'in Yemen' as US intel said before it was assisting the Sauds in their genocide against the people of Yemen. Saudi Arabia has always wanted control of Yemen and has always done everything it could to keep Yemen down long before Iran got rid of the Shah and KSA started wetting its pants at the idea that Muslims might engage in revolution, that the idea that Muslims might think Kings were a bad idea and even worse that the idea that Muslims might think democracy was a way to go. The Houthis also are not the just the Zaidi - a supposed Shia group which has more in common with Sunni, they are made up of all people in the North and are the main fighters in Yemen against ISIS and Al Qaeda who have been growing while Saudi Arabia does its Vietman on the bodies of the children of Yemen. Certainly until a week or so before Saleh was killed, the Houthi were getting everything including the missiles they were chucking at Saudi Arabia from him. Iran may have given minimal support but to pretend Iran is or ever was 'in Yemen' seems to be trying to justify a genocide - and possibly also the destruction of Iran.
Well, I just look at your signature, and it brings to mind Machiavelli; In "The Prince", he advocated what we would call "realpolitiks" today. The Sauds may have legitimate concerns about Iran being in Yemen, but these concerns are void of all forms of morality, hence the questionning. I think that people who know that they are evil are much more interesting than those who ignore they are. Why should the Saudi PoV be priviledged in Yemen over that of the Yemeni (or whatever is it that they are called)? As far as I am concerned, Iran's presence being by request of the Yemeni themselves (they were not "invited") makes it, if not the legitimate thing to do, acceptable to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavellianism
Iran is in Yemen by proxy Hezbollah and have been for over a decade, they are supplying Houthis who never would have been able to stand up against the might of Saudi Arabia without Iran's help. Even the rockets fired at Riyadh is Burkans... Iranian. Iran is also manipulating Afghani and Syrian refugees to fight in Yemen for them, so please spare the the bullshit you're selling https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/world/asia/afghanistan-iran-syria-revolutionary-guards.html
The Yemen people have not asked for any Iran Presence. There is no Iran Presence in Yemen. What there is. is what you would expect in a country which the Sauds have anything to do with. Loads of ISIS and Al Qaeda.
ok that was funny... presence by request lol ok acceptable to you then, but not to me. Their presence only prolongs the war, and as a result millions of people are suffering. Also the outcome as we know would not be Iran handing back this territory, but serve to extend it's empire and used as a springboard in their war against Saudi Arabia. In other words it will only fuel another war.
Iran is not there by Proxy. Iran is not in Yemen. You and half the papers of the world may like to say it but it is not the truth and never has been and US Intelligence itself says so. Lies lies lies to support Genocide supported by the US, UK and Australia among others. Australia has managed to get its people to be blood thirsty about killing the poorest people in the world to support Saudi Arabia but not so in the UK so our Government has to try and pretend it is not as it does so often.
oh good, I do like ping pong..... yes they are in Yemen. (here's my response to your personal comments nnlnn)
