IRAN BLITZED Israel hits Iran’s Syria bases with 70 missiles killing ‘at least 23 fighters’ and vowi

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    it's the other way around.
    It's not Obama's place to put up restrictions on trade. That is up to congress.
    And now Trump restricts trade again, instead of accepting congress has that power and not him.
     
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    Re the Fact of Israeli WB occupation

    Why should I
    have to request that this Crap you proffer be trucked out & spilled upon the page yet again ?
    ..... W
    e have all seen the lame, weak wrist-ed Justifications that you call 'facts' thousands
    .................................................................................................................. of times before.

    Be finally INFORMED.... - They have lost their coin and have become worthless to that portion
    ........... of Humanity that have maintained their moral compass and still have a solid concept
    ...................................................................................... of what is right & what is wrong.

    Like all True Believers
    you hope to confuse your painted, spurious correlations and bogus constructs that abuse
    and twist History with the unvarnished FACTs that without fail will continue to EXPOSE you.

    Z
    ionist Ideologues should take lessons from the proponents of the 'Flat Earth'. They are
    ..way better and far more proficient at these sorts of stupid and risible manipulations than
    ................................................................................................. you can ever hope to be.

    What you call 'facts' are in FACT Absurd rationalizations used to hopefully Justify
    ........... in some way the brutal and abusive Atrocities you inflict upon another people


    Zionist Israel Does Not Seek Peace - Zionist Israel Seeks Land
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-does-not-want-peace-1.5253291



     
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    You bring up an excellent point.

    The deal was a farce that literally obligated the United States not merely to accede to Iran’s enrichment of uranium but to help protect Iran’s nuclear facilities. (See JCPOA Article 10, Annex III, Sec. 10 (“Nuclear Security”): obliging the U.S. to help strengthen Iran’s ability to “prevent, protect and respond to nuclear security threats to nuclear facilities,” including “sabotage.”)

    Every time the president recertified the deal, as federal law required, he had to make two representations, neither of which was ever true:
    (a) that Iran was “transparently, verifiably, and fully implementing the agreement,” and
    (b) that continuing the JCPOA was “vital to the national security interests of the United States.”

    The Obama administration gave Iran a pass on revealing the history of its nuclear program, which would have been necessary to establish a baseline for compliance purposes; it cut side deals — concealed from Congress — that made verification procedures an impenetrable private arrangement between Iran and the U.N.’s International Atomic Energy Agency; and it agreed to limits on what IAEA was allowed to report about Iranian violations (see former longtime national-security official Fred Fleitz’s analysis, here).

    So for these and many other reasons, the JCPOA was a debacle. Yet Obama apologists posit two other objections to Trump’s cashiering of the former president’s legacy agreement: abandoning the deal
    (1) isolates the United States and
    (2) suggests that the United States cannot be trusted to keep its word.

    I completely disagree:

    Nations will be put to a choice: You can have access to the U.S. economy or you can have commerce with Iran — not both. Our European allies know this is not a real choice: They can’t isolate us, they need us, our markets, and the umbrella of our protection. They’re angry because they’d like to pocket the benefits they get from us while cutting profitable deals with our enemies. That’s not “isolating us”; that’s a tantrum. They will get over it in short order if the president is steadfast about enforcement.

    JCPOA did not represent America's word, it represented Obama's word. Our Constitution and our laws are no secret. Our European allies know full well that a president has no power unilaterally to bind the United States to an international agreement. We give our word when we enter a treaty or enact legislation that cements commitments. Obama did not seek to make his deal a treaty precisely because he knew America was not giving its word — the public did not support the deal, which would have been roundly defeated if subjected to the Constitution’s process for ratifying international commitments.

    But, and this is where I think you make a very good point, we pleaded with Congress to reject the self-defeating Corker-Cardin legislation that helped Obama create the veneer of congressional approval. Corker-Cardin turned the Treaty Clause on its head: Instead of rejecting the deal unless a two-thirds supermajority of the Senate approved it, as the Constitution requires, it portrayed the deal as “not disapproved” unless two-thirds of both Houses voted it down — enabling Democrats to help Obama foist this farce on the American People.

    This counter-constitutional charade never had the legal force to ratify the JCPOA (although it did provide fodder for Obama officials and foreign governments to claim that the agreement has binding status under international law). But, because Congress’s sanctions are statutory, they could be repealed by statute. Corker-Cardin is statutory law. As we warned, Obama Democrats, Iran, and transnational progressives everywhere will now contend that, even if it did not make the JCPOA legally binding, Corker-Cardin did have the effect of repealing the sanctions. So, despite all the assurances, it's not certain that the sanctions will “snap back” into place; Congress may have to reenact them.

    But, for today, President Trump has reestablished that the United States and the world are more secure when we confront our enemies rather than fantasizing that they are suitable negotiating partners — even as they bray, “Death to America!”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/president-trump-exits-iran-deal-boost-for-global-security/
     
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    Indeed. Trump violates the authority of congress by demanding he is the only one who can say with who the US can trade with. Where Obama gave it back to congress.

    Right. If it was up to you, you would blow up a nuclear facility like chernobyl and make civilians suffer.
    Do you often support terror, or is this just against muslims?


    The IAEA concluded that Iran complied to "a" all the time.
    And a non nuclear Iran is in the security interests of the US.

    Well... when the US makes it impossible for EU nations to compete due to high import taxes on for instance steel,.. than they might as well sell in to Iran. Same thing with their oil.... when the US pumps up their own.

    The US gave their word and than the US broke it.
    The word and promises of the US are a total joke.
     
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    If its an all-out war for Israel's survival, they will go nuclear on Iran....nothing's too big!
     
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    Israel is so tiny. When Iran destroys Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa... really.
    Than most of Israel simply is just gone. That can be done in the conventional way.
    Everybody knows that.
     
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    Iran will be utterly destroyed in retaliation.
    Israel Has a Submarine That Could Destroy Entire Nations (Armed ...
    nationalinterest.org/.../israel-has-submarine-could-destroy-entire-nations-armed-2352...
    - The five Dolphin-class submarines represent an ace in the hole for Israel, ... Israel's first nuclear weapons were completed by the early 1970s, ...>>
     
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    It's not just the jihadist groups who would love to drag the butcher Assad through the streets of Damascus...he has few friends inside Syria!
     
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    Obama "gave it back to"? He never possessed it.
    Iran will not be allowed to restart their nuclear weapons program on Trump's watch. He has made that perfectly clear. If they try to and their facility collapses, as we saw in North Korea, well, that's just bad luck. Nuclear weapons research is inherently risky and should not be conducted where civilian populations may be at risk of harm in the event of a mishap.
    Fine, then the IAEA can certify their compliance, Obama put secret side deals in place that left us unable to independently verify compliance, so Trump isn't going to certify it, Silly!
    By all means then, trade with Iran rather than the US.
    OBAMA gave his word, and welcome to the club, he lied his ass off to us about being able to keep our doctor if we liked our doctor. His lies made global headlines, it was even the Lie of the Year, so your virgin act is unconvincing, but, entertaining, so, thank you.

    You'll quit whining about the Iran deal in time. Trump may not be able to "snap back" sanctions like the lying Obama Administration claimed, but, we called the lying Obama Administration on their lies at the time and the Congress passed Corker Cardin anyway, so there is that.

    But, the US will no longer be bound to protect Iranian facilities, which is good, because we don't trust they lying Mullah's who lead chants of DEATH TO AMERICA! These murderous bastards have killed a lot of Americans and if they don't smarten up at a rapid pace, they could have a serious reckoning coming due.
     
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    The main argument of the defenders of the deal with Iran is "but IAEA says Iran complies..."

    Well...

    IAEA statement on the Iranian nuclear program 2007:
    https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pre...tor-general-new-us-intelligence-estimate-iran

    IAEA statement on the Iranian nuclear program 2017:
    https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/statements/director-generals-speech-on-iran-the-jcpoa-and-the-iaea

    Spot the differences.

    I will, thank you.
     
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    You people are always saying that....
     
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    Trump was right to can this pile of shitt known as the Iranian nuclear weapons ban accord....the Islamo-Fascists in Tehran never had any intention of abiding or complying....!
     
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    Nukes in Iran are a serious problem. We have a country run by the Twelvers, a sect of Islam dedicated to bringing in Armageddon, a precursor to when the 12th Iman, (Ali) returns and there is peace.
    Islam is "The religion of peace", however what they don't tell you is that the peace comes only after all of it's enemies are destroyed. That is, western civilization, and their arch enemy Saudi Arabia, and Sunni Islam.

    It's not a question of "IF", but rather "When".

    They will attack Israel, as they are doing now, but by proxy, using the expendable muslims of the west bank and Palestine. They are also after the house of Saud.

    This is a very cautious time in the world events.
     
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    Jerusalem is probably safe, not so, Tel Aviv and Haifa.
    The Dome of the Rock, Islam's 2nd holiest site, is in Jerusalem.
     
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    There still wil be no Israel left, if Iran only destroys 3 cities. After that, there are just town with less than 1/4 of a million people.
     
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    LOL...how can Iran simultaneously destroy three Israeli cities without be decimated in return....it ain't gonna happen, no matter much the image delights you!
     
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    He had when he took over the commercial ban from the previous governments.

    No deal means no insight in Irans nuclear program. Also... NK was able to go forth under his watch and develop missiles that can hit the US.

    Trump ended the deal. So Iran is not bound to IAEA inspections anymore.

    Not the fault of the EU that the US closes trade towards the EU.

    In the name of the US. And than the US broke their word.
    It's not worth crap

    American, the biggest sponsor of terrorism, sponsored a coup against their democratically elected government. And when they got rid of the fascist the US installed, the US than responded to support Saddam Hussein and aided him with a WMD war. The blood on the hands of terrorist US is just as massive as the hate that Iran gets from the US for not being part of their neo-colonial thug reign of terror. You lot even gave the guy a medal for blowing up a civilian Iranian airplane!
     
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    Fantasy. He never "took over" the Constitution's charge of trade to Congress from "previous governments" because they never had it either. You are clearly unfamiliar with how we rule ourselves, which is fine, most of the world does not rule themselves, like we do.
    We can't independently verify their compliance, so we will no longer engage in the charade of certifying their compliance.
    Well, Hells Bells, an America Hater! Trump has done you a favor, it's beneath you to engage in trade with "the World's Biggest Sponsor of Terrorism!" You are now free to engage in trade with the Righteous Mullahs!
     
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    The Dome of the rock aint in Israel. Why would Iran attack it?
     
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    The ban was there. And he gave that back to congress where the power belongs.

    We were able to verify it under the deal. Not when the US broke it.

    Just stating historic facts, buddy. And the US admits they placed the coup, and that they aided Saddam with a WMD war is no mystery as well. Heck, wasn't it so that the NRA got the head terrorist of the Iran-Contra affair in their mids? That was selling arms to Iran in order to fund a war of terror elsewhere.
     
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    Because their country is utterly and utterly massive.
     
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    The Dome of the rock is in Jerusalem, on the site of Solomans temple.
    They would not nuke Jerusalem just because it is there.
     
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    I hope euro and iran can keep the deal going without the us. Would love to see trump try to sanction Eu for trading with iran. Not going to happend if you ask me.
     
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    The Islamic shrine sits atop Solomon's Temple......that just goes to show ya who was there first!
     

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