How Mueller’s First Year Compares To Watergate, Iran-Contra And Whitewater

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  1. RodB

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    I am not aware of any other government intelligence that has verified collusion between Trump campaign and the Russians. Second, there is no proof the Russians hacked the DNC. The most we have is that activity on the DNC computer, as described by a private IT analyst, has the fingerprints of Russia. Plus as far as I know to this day the FBI has not been given access to the DNC computers. Third, if there was sufficient reason to investigate Russian interference you would think Obama would have supported that instead of Susan Rice telling the agencies to stand down.
     
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    The bottom line for me is that if he was not guilty of anything, Drumph would not be so freaked out by the investigation. Mueller is getting closer and closer, I believe, because there is indeed something for the Orange Clown to worry about. He's wetting his pants over the investigation, and there has to be a reason why. It may not be just a matter of his being president and Russian collusion; it may also be about his entire financial empire and the corruption and illegalities involved in that. I don't think Drumph really cares about being president. He cares about the attention and power, that's all. What he really cares about is his money, and the financial empire may go up in flames.
     
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    Yeah...because innocent people wouldn't be "freaked out" over a Witch Hunt with endless resources, and NO BOUNDARIES, designed to fund them guilty of SOMETHING/ANYTHING, no matter what, is that your claim?

    Seriously?
     
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    You seem to be unaware that it is Trump who calls it a witch hunt. He does that because he is so freaked out about it.
     
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    We would know from the court records if people are fighting testifying or witholding evidence. Has Mueller had to go to court to compel cooperation? Has anyone gone to jail refusing to testify? Have anyvexecutive privelege claims been made?

    And investigations in thebpast have been frought with noncooperation by those being investigated and even committing susicide. Benghazi which was not even a criminal investigation is a prime example with Clinton hiding evidence and then destroying evidence. How long did it take the FBI time even start recoverying her emails and then the drip drip drip of the State department releasing them.
     
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    The confirmation bias is strong with this one. #powerostrichmanuever
     
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    Do you believe you actually had to explain this and it will sink in now that you have or it's more likely hypocrisy? I am with the latter ;).
     
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    The several guilty pleas and dozens of indictments disagree with your repeated assertion of "no actual crimes."
     
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    Trump. Tower. Meeting.
     
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    And the investigation is just getting to the "big fish" and the many crimes of Trump. Mueller will do his job with incorruptibility.
     
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    Now, at least two of them on record with foreign adversarial governments for the purposes of interfering with the 2016 election.
     
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    If he is innocent and has nothing to worry about, then he is really, really stupid because the more he acts the way he is acting, the guiltier he looks.
     
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    He can't help it, he is displaying consciousness of guilt. He can't control himself.
     
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    The man has very, very little self control, that's for sure.
     
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    The meeting attended by Veselnitskaya and her "Russian" entourage ... Natalia admittedly acting as an intermediary for persons claiming to have "dirt on Hillary" ... Turns out Natalia was Glenn Simpsons intermediary though ... is Simpson Russian? Did Putin give Simpson "dirt on Hillary" to barter with? Simpson hired Natalia as his snake oil salesman, precisely to induce Russian collusion hysteria. Jr communicated with no "Russian" agents, just Simpsons.
     
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    How does that change the facts and what I stated and none if those charges to do with the core issue. Whitewater and Watergate both started with actual crimes.
     
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    The difference is that for Watergate all indictments and guilty pleas were related to the topic of the investigation. For Mueller, none are.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the Mueller inquisiton is more corrupt in it's first year than Watergate, Iran-Contra, and Whitewater combined.
     
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    You have zero proof for any of these allegations.

    Meanwhile, Veselnitskaya denied any connection to the Russian government and then, when confronted with emails between herself a top Russian intelligence operative, she admitted to being an informant for the Russian Government.
     
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    Keep a tight grip with those fingernails...............
     
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    Dude, those are ACTUAL CRIMES. Stop pretending that actual crimes do not exist in this investigation.
     
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    Do you need a refresher on the topic of the investigation? Please feel free to review the order providing his investigative authority here and then elaborate on how "none of the indictments and guilty pleas are related."
     
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    There are tens of millions who call it a witch hunt, and that only because that is what it is.
     
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    Uh huh........Tens of millions is a bit of a stretch. Are there actually that many trumpettes?
     
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    Tens of millions of Trump supporters and tens of millions of interested observers who calls things the way the sees them.
     

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