Mueller definitely has a big coverup going

Oh yes, the old National Security Dodge. Nixon used that too.

What's wrong with attacking the media? When did they become above criticism?

You just don't like it when Republicans defend themselves against vicious attacks.

 

The people spoke exactly the way you are about Nixon. That it was a witchhunt etc. and lo and behold?? You just want it to go away because you care more about Trump than you do about our democracy
There is nothing wrong with attacking the media, but when the media are reporting the truth and you have a president who says it is fake, his base who he loves because he knows they will defend him, don’t educate themselves. They can see Trump saying something on tape and still deny he said it.
The media have reported thousands of lies and deliberate misleading statements...but in your world they shouldn’t do that. The most respected newspapers like the New York Times and the Washington Post would lose all credibility if what they reported was false. That is why they are Pulitzer’s prize winning news sources,,,,but not as good as briebart lol

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/27/614810154/mueller-investigation-latest


"...-The other reason that you don't want information public is because when you are dealing with witnesses who are prone to lying, who are willing to alter the truth, if you give them information, they will conform their testimony to accommodate whatever they know you know. And that hurts your ability to proceed in an investigation. So it's very, very damaging. It is traditional and required that a prosecutor remain silent. Normally, you do not have anyone with a megaphone the size of Donald Trump's. And you don't have anyone who's willing to use it in the way that he has. So you have pointed to a very serious problem because people are hearing one side only.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: That's my point. You know, everyone - and it's not just at the special prosecutor's office. It's the FBI, the Justice Department, other organizations that Trump has taken aim at. Everyone seems determined to take the moral high ground and sort of fall back on this traditional formula where you stay quiet, and you bear it. But is that working? Because we've seen polls show that public support for the investigation is deteriorating.

WINE-BANKS: It obviously isn't working, and it's very distressing to me. And I personally know the danger of this because I was once under attack for totally false things and could not respond. And it leaves - and this was in the days before Google, so that it leaves an unrebutted statement that's false. And here you have thousands of social media outlets that are portraying this as, here's what the president says. And when it's unanswered, it's sort of like being in a trial, and you're a juror, and you listen to the prosecution and you go, oh my God, the defendant is guilty. And then you hear the defense, and you go, oh, wait a minute, there's another side to the story. And people are being denied the ability to hear the other side of the story.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: So what should Mueller be doing then? If on the one hand you say there's certain things that he can't divulge - but on the other hand, this silence is hurting the investigation. What should be done?

WINE-BANKS: Well, I don't think it's hurting the investigation. And I think he must stick with the rules of the game. He has to.-"

 

I don't remember anything like that.

I actually don't care that much about Trump. I didn't vote for him and I won't in the future. I find him a boor and a braggart. But I do care about our democracy, so I defend him in this instance against the machinations of the FBI, CIA, DOJ, etc. I consider them corrupted.

The media are reporting half-truths and to my mind have an obvious bias. They deserve to be called out.

I think you will find that the MSM have indeed lost all credibility.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx

 

Because an innocent man shouldn't fight back? Just trust the system? Of course you know the system is rotten to the core.

 

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The so-called FBI scandal is based on nothing. Trump's campaign was chock full of shady characters who could not smell clean to save their lives. Either they got caught with Russian spies, or they shot their mouths off in a bar about the DNC leak, or they got caught lying about conversations they had with Russian officials. If the FBI was not within its legal rights to investigate these things, then they would be completely useless to the US as an intelligence agency.

 

Nuts enough to drive them all to Betty's Psychic Parlor for the inside scoop.

 

But they have to follow the rules. The shenanigans with the Dossier used to justify FISA warrants seems to me corruption. So too the unmasking of Trump officials and especially so the leaking of that information.

I find such things more troubling than Trump criticizing the press which some here thinks poses an existential threat to our democracy.

 

The Obama DOJ was aware of the Russian activities long before it was needed to explain away an embarrassing loss to Donald Friggin Trump. They didn't wiretap Trump, they wiretapped the buildings his campaign was active in and they were collateral damage. Right!

A paid informant isn't called a spy because spy has negative connotations even to law enforcement. CI has a much more respectable ring to it but they are still spies. It's what they do, they work to gather information and sell it or they are patriots that risk their lives for information our government needs to keep us safe. See, it can have a certain nobility, just not in this case. It was political, spying to aid the chosen head of our govt., not just Hillary, the whole hard core left that began in the '60's and has almost completed their takeover. They aren't radical anymore, they are the norm. Nikita was right, his missiles and bombs distracted us from the real weapon of choice, us.

 

It’s more complex than that, Russkia. The DNC leaks happening soon after they were predicted by Papadoulos were cause for suspicion. The bizarre choices of Manafort and Page were suspicious. By all accounts, Page’s only possible qualification was his love for Vladimir Putin. And a FISA has previously been obtained for him just s couple of years earlier.

 

Suspicion of who for what? Papa didn't actually say anything about DNC leaks. He just reported that some fellow said the Russians had dirt on Hillary. Nothing more specific. The Australians sat on that piece of intelligence for months. And why not?

You mean other than being an expert on Russian and Central Asian oil and gas enterprises. Steele was just good in knowing who to frame. One would think Mueller would indict him to squeeze him to rat out Trump. But I guess that didn't happen.

Why not? Why has all the talk of collusion gone cold? Why no leaks from Mueller or anybody else? Why no enterprising journalist turning something up? Why is Pelosi, et. al., downplaying impeachment talk?

 

Imagine the pain if law enforcement had to live behind the same laws/fences the financial industry has to.... The fact that law enforcement trades daily on insider information... of course government wants to reserve that practice for themselves. The better to be authoritarian with...

 

Sure. But then it came true. The DNC leaks happened. Just like the privatization of Rosneft privatization in the dossier came true. That provokes a serious reassessment.

Nobody seems to have found Page very impressive. Even the Russian spies talked about him like he was a useful but stupid tool.

The journalism does seem strangely muted. I think it’s a combination of Trump’s strategic headline grabbing and Mueller’s professional silence. Which I think may be misguided. Mueller is playing by the rules, and Trump strikes me as someone who devours rule-followers.

The evidence is out there, I think people are afraid of staking their reputation on a specific narrative. There was a recent story in which the Trump administration used Port of Washington Chabad to contact Ukrainian President Poroshenko. This seems to substantiate many claims made about Trump’s Russian contacts through Chabad, which had already garnered some suspicion; Vekselberg, Abramovitch, Deripaska, Sater, etc. But the reporting on this has been dragging. I’m sure we’ll hear it eventually.

 

A serious reassessment of what?

And Mueller doesn't even find him useful.

Or ... there is nothing there. Or Mueller's team is feverishly trying to prepare for a trial about Russians buying Facebook ads. What a fiasco! The announcement of Mueller's indictment must the the anticlimax of this young millennium.

Or not. I am not familiar with this topic and when I googled it I got a lot of anti-Semitic Protocols of the Elders of Zion type stuff. I would be wary of going there, myself. You may make your own judgment, of course.

 

You care about democracy but you want the president to be able to accuse them of machinations so he won’t be investigated. That’s exact,y step one to autocratic gov. Next attack the media. Trump sure know his base

 

He's been investigated for quite a while now. I think the FBI, et. al., are not above the law.

Now I would have thought step one to autocratic government is using the FBI, DOJ, IRS, etc. to attack your political enemies, like Obama has done. But what do I know?