Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    It is "not really" the same as specifying this into meteorologist or atmospheric physicist or hydro climatologist, climate modeler, glaciologist, paleoclimatologist. This all does suggest that these people are from the oil industry.
     
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    Temperature records based on magnesium-to-calcium ratios (Mg/Ca) of the planktonic foraminifera Globoritalia sacculifer, from Ocean Drilling Program (ODP) site 806 (0°N, 159°E) (Fig. 1) (8), suggest that the Western Equatorial Pacific temperatures remained relatively constant as Earth cooled over the past 5 million years. Curiously, existing Mg/Ca-based SST records also indicate that the equator of the Pliocene warm period (4.5 to 3 Ma) was ~0.5°C colder than the mean temperature of the late Quaternary (1.5 to 0 Ma), implying that the equator temperatures were cooler or invariant during periods of global warmth.

    8. M. W. Wara, A. C. Ravelo, M. L. Delaney, Science 309, 758–761 (2005).

    http://eesc.columbia.edu/courses/w4937/Readings/Zhang_Science_2014.pdf
    Cults often fear monger.

    Condylarths fossils have been found in India. They had grinding teeth and tended toward a vegetarian diet, and flourished during the Paleocene epoch. During the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum warm earth conditions prevailed, it was warm and lush worldwide with subtropical vegetation growing in Greenland and Patagonia, crocodilians swimming off the coast of Greenland, and primates enjoying the tropical palm forests of northern Wyoming. So your view of what northern Wyoming is like in Warm Earth Conditions needs to meet the real world. And get outside, go to Wyoming, see the fossils, touch the rocks that bear them. When a computer generated model contradicts the hard rocks of the scientific fossil record, tis the model that is falsified, not the fossil record, Silly! During this period te Earth's poles were cool and temperate; North America, Europe Australia and South America were warm and temperate; equatorial areas had tropical climates, and the Sahara wasn't Desert.

    http://eesc.columbia.edu/courses/w4937/Readings/Zhang_Science_2014.pdf

    What a pile of horse ****. We've built entire cities, millions of people, living in areas where they cannot survive without HVAC, that's just the way it is, and that's not changing. Hell, you can barely live on the East Side of the San Francisco Bay Area without HVAC and you damn sure aren't going to make in Las Vegas or Phoenix or much of the South!

    You sound like a Degrowther. That's a cult that lives in Air Conditioned homes and moans that the 3rd world is going to want HVAC, too.

    Most of our population, hell most of the world's population, lives in cities that require sewer and water services, food trucked in. And where it's hot or cold HVAC and/or heat.

    Your fantasy of every family on 160 acres with a well, septic tank and row crops is just that, a fantasy that has not been true for a very long time.
    More horse ****. Nobody a hundred years ago predicted that annual corn production would go from 2,475 million bushels to 12,447 million bushels, while the farm work force dropped from 40% of the population to 2%. So most folks have no idea how to produce food from the soil or how to turn a live animal into a meal, they mainly know how to sit around and bitch about progress, play with their smart phones and preach about computer models.

    A 100 years ago we were a horse drawn society of 75 million. Anyone who would have tried to model us a 330 million society today, would have claim such a feat would be a disaster, if for no other reason, there simply is not enough land near the cities this would require to grow all the hay all the necessary horses would require.

    But, do go to Wyoming, put your phone down and actually run your hands over the fossils. Learn about when Wyoming was covered in Tropical Palm forests with all the life one would expect in a tropical Palm Forest.

    Then head down to New Mexico and explore Carlsbad Caverns, check out that abundant wealth of underground limestone formations, then go outside and look around at all that desert and knowing that limestone only forms under oceans, try to figure out how all that was ocean floor!

    Nature is a wonderful thing, and when you study it properly, you end up pleasantly exhausted, and dirty.
     
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    Thanks but the OP didn't dispute the existence of of AGW. It disputed that it is a crisis. Sorry you spent so much time on this.
     
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    Anyone who can will.
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    What ever, but you said that geoscientists study rocks and that is wrong.
     
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    Technically, the full question in the study linked touched upon both. The other surveys involve a lot of different phrasing. The STAT survey in 2007 comes up with about 85% saying that global warming is legitimately dangerous. In any case, these are still mostly petroleum industry experts.
     
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    actually... that is correct that they study rocks.
    https://geoscientistscanada.ca/profession-of-geoscience/what-is-geoscience/
    Geoscience is the scientific study of the planet Earth and its many different natural geologic systems. It includes the study and investigation of Earth’s minerals, soil, water and energy resources: how Earth’s natural systems work today, how they operated in the recent and ancient past, and how we expect they may behave in the future. Geoscience is real-world science, relevant to us all, everyday.

    It seems with this group and "engineers",... the study included only people from the oil industry.
     
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    That doesn't support your claim in any way. Why did you think it does? It only talks of one spot on earth, and it uses the fallacy that the present must be like the past, even if conditions in the present are very different?

    And that's why it's the only tactic you're good at.

    The fossil stuff is meaningless, being it comes from periods when the continents were arranged in different positions.

    So, you whiffed on the science.

    Can you name some of these cities where the entire population would die within a day if the AC failed?

    I doubt it. Even for you, that claim was bizarrely detached from reality.

    Logical fallacy on your part. "Crop yields increased in the past, so they must keep increasing at the same rate indefinitely!".

    Touching a few rocks isn't getting dirty. What I do is getting dirty, clearing invasive plants from areas that most people consider too difficult to reach.
     
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    That survey of climate scientists was also taken in 2013.
    Further it was only 97% of papers surveyed.

    Or its political hay making.
     
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