Lets disband the military. What are they protecting if they are not protecting our borders

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  1. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dude, you can't deploy in your own nation. Most US military personnel are already here. If you're talking about getting rid of Posse Comitatus, you should think that one through to every conclusion.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No US military personnel are serving foreign nations; they are serving the US in a foreign nation or at sea.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Like the Bob Dylan song says, "The Times They Are a-Changin'"

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016...-1940-chinese-military-recruiting-accelerates
    The Army’s latest headcount shows that nearly 2,600 soldiers departed active service in March without being replaced, an action that plunges manning to its lowest level since before World War II, according to ArmyTimes.com. This is occurring as The People's Liberation Army (incidentally the world's largest military force, with a strength of approximately 2,285,000 personnel, or 0.18% of China's population) has begun aggressively recruiting, and rattling its sabre increasingly loudly over US interference in the South China Sea island dispute and most recently in Hong Kong.

    During the past year the size of the active force has been reduced by 16,548 soldiers, the rough equivalent of three brigades.

    Endstrength for March was 479,172 soldiers, which is 154 fewer troopers than were on active duty when the Army halted the post-Cold War drawdown in 1999 with 479,424 soldiers, the smallest force since 1940, when the active component numbered 269,023 soldiers.

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    They are serving the military industrial complex, war profiteers and the politicians bribed by them.
     
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    Having worked for a couple of aerospace companies after retiring from the Air Force, I can tell you without hesitation, you are simply wrong.

    The aerospace business is very competitive and the number of companies doing working with the military has gone down considerably. The loss or acquisition of a new contract is a very big thing in this industry and determines whether they survive or fail.

    Just a side note. The constitution says nothing about providing health care or social security. However, it does call for the common defense.
     
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    I brought this up as an idea we reinforce the Militia Laws by requiring each State to maintain a Militia and we can move monies for that say 15% of our current military budget for these. Then use some for a Navy and the Marines this would be say 15% of our current budget. We need the Coast Guard we can give them a percent suitable to due their work. And then something for a nuclear arsenal, space defense force and miscellaneous needs. We could cut the budget 30% easily enough and maybe more since weapons could be bought from allies and the global arms market or domestically why build a fighter here if we can buy them from France for example and they are 'good enough' to do the job.
     
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    Sounds like the perfect line from a Russian bot.

    Fact is that the only thing our boarders need protection from is Donald Trump's absurd policies.

    But, of course, the reason we need our military in other countries is so we can intimidate them.
     
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    You just proved my point and don't even know it. War is a profit driven industry, it always was and always will be. As with all industries there are good times and bad times.

    "War is a racket" - Major General Smedley D. Butler - USMC

    Exactly, not war profiteering. You need to understand what you post.
     
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    The aerospace industry is a very competitive business which is driven by profit just like any other capitalistic industry.. However, if you think they are doing so well because of excess profits, then I recommend you invest in the aerospace industry.

    It appears that somehow you are saying the military is profiting from buying arms from the aerospace industry. If you know of such things, they need to be reported.

    It appears that what you are proposing is that the US government build all weapons and armament for the US military. Is that really what you want?
     
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    America wouldn't have 75% of its problems if the mainstream media didn't give voice to and play devils advocate for every screwball dissenter to come down the pike. They've hijacked, directed and misdirected this nations course for fifty years. That's why they hate Trump, and work feverishly day and,night, to undo his Presidency. They can't control him, the nation or the debate.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Disagreed. First, the "MIC" is a minor player in US economics. War is costly, peace is much more prosperous. While there are some who certainly profit from war, they are far outnumbered by those who prefer business in a peaceful environment. Politicians "bribed" by those with the most money. As noted previously, peaceful business makes more money.
     
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    It's not about how well or how poor the aerospace industry is doing. It's not the only industry that profits from war and it has been a very lucrative industry in the past.

    The military doesn't profit, it's all the industries and individuals that profit around the military's needs.

    Don't be silly, read my prior sentence.

    The US government now feeds the Pentagon over $1/2 billion each year to spend on all sorts of war toys. That doesn't include unknown money for black operations. There is an estimated $6.5 trillion to $21 trillion (depending on various sources) missing or unaccounted for by the Pentagon. What pockets did that drop into? The minimum estimate would go a long way to pay for infrastructure and health care.
     
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    That's your prerogative of course, despite the facts.

    Irrelevant, it changes nothing about what I posted. It doesn't make the military industrial complex disappear nor does it bring back to life the millions of innocent lives lost for the sake of $profit and power. I wasn't comparing the death and destruction industry to other industries.
     
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    What facts have you presented on this subject? All I've seen is opinion.

    LOL. Dude, it goes to the core of your opinion, of course it's relevant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, people are brutal toward each other. What I find most interesting are those who keep attacking and accusing the United States, but never, ever have a bad thing to say about Russia, China, several African and South American nations or anyone else.
     
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    Just because Smedley D. Butler was a hero doesn't mean he knew a thing about economics or defense spending.
     
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    The "military industrial complex" doesn't actually exist.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Agreed.

    OTOH, notice how the "military industrial complex" people are almost always both anti-American and have to reach back almost 70-80 years to make their points?
     
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    All of them. Go back and read what I posted.
     
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    Just because you post in this forum doesn't mean you know a thing. He said it was a racket and it is, a murderous one at that, very obviously.
     
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    You don't actually exist, the military industrial complex has existed for millennia, since there was a military.
     
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    So you do like big government.
     
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  22. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did. All opinion with some half-truths mixed in. Standard stuff.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good luck getting SCOTUS to declare Mexico our "enemy." Since when do we do any trades with our "enemy." Talk about being delusional.
     
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    That would be Congress, not SCOTUS. Still, I agree. Trump might fancy himself the "Napoleon of the West", but Congress and SCOTUS won't destroy the US to satisfy the ego of a petty tyrant.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, I've should have made it clear in as far as the definition of an "enemy" as it concern to the Constitution. Congress, being a collection of idiots that they are, can declare war on whoever they so choose of course.
     
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