What is the bottom line why Socialism is really being pushed around the globe?

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  1. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but you're babbling on while showing you actually have no idea what socialist society or communist society are.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The short answer:

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  3. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

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    LOL!! Let's see you prove THAT!

    First of all, globalism is the latest imperialist plan of capitalism.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/us/politics/globalism-right-trump.html

    Secondly, the thought that one person is funding all the protest happening around the world is so ludicrous as to be an asinine joke. This is part of the right wing plan to avoid admitting that people are fed up with capitalism and what it's doing to the world.



    Now you're sounding like "logical1" and Wehrwolfen. Name a "socialist country" for me that people are coming here from.


    The rest of your post is Fake News.

    Come to think of it, ALL of it is fake news.
     
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  4. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    That is one of the most telling graphs of America's failure that could possibly exist.

    Yet, we're continuing to make this situation WORSE in step after step after step.

    Here's another:
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    Our fearless leaders brag about rising incomes.

    But, the buying power of America's wage earners is NOT sharing in that.

    And, the future we're seeing today is one of continued assault on unions and other mechanisms that give American wage earners a fighting chance.
     
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  5. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

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    HAHA You don't seem to recognize propaganda when you see it.
     
  6. Canell

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    OK, may be this is not the actual title but that doesn't cancel the idea in the text.
     
  7. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

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    THE.
    IDEA.
    IN.
    THE.
    TEXT.
    IS.
    THE.
    PROPAGANDA!!!
     
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    Canell Well-Known Member

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    OK, I respect your right to an opinion. :)
     
  9. Kode

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    Your author has no idea what either socialism is or what communism is, and lacks any understanding of what happened in the USSR and China to get them where they are today. Capitalist ideologues are like that.
     
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    Socialism is gaining urgency and popularity because capitalism is in crisis around the world.
     
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  11. KJohnson

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    Sooooo, you apparently think Socialism will fix that? All Socialism will do is take out the middle class leaving the very wealthy and the very poor. The poor that we have now will grow exponentially and everyone will be even poorer than before. 1st and 2nd amendment rights will be taken away as well as all other ones such as the right to due process.
     
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    Don't forget all the amendment rights will get taken away too, meaning freedom of speech...not only will no one care what you think but you could be arrested or killed for your thoughts. Nor will you be able to assemble with others either. By the time you become sorry you signed up for this wonderful Utopian existence, it will be too late and they will have already confiscated your guns and only means to fight back. Your rights to due process will be gone as well. No such thing as a fair trial. Leaders feel you're a threat, they could just kill you or throw you in prison forever without even a trial. Basically socialism is the step right before communism which is the main focus and final end game.
    Lawlessness will prevail with everyone killing each other for whatever crumbs they can find.

    Socialists are already well on their way to taking the 1st and 2nd amendments away thanks to George Soros the globalist who is pushing hard to get that done.

    America dodged a bullet and bought some time by electing Trump and not Hillary who would have finished taking us down that path. The fact a couple of conservatives were put on the supreme court will help as well.

    This is what socialism looks like...be careful what you wish for.

    DON'T EVER GIVE UP YOUR GUNS!







     
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  13. KJohnson

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    Hope you're right but I think we're alone in this craziness. Santa Claus theory was man made, is fictional, and was designed to keep children in line.
     
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    “The entire world is leaving socialist countries to come to the US.”

    I love your nonsensical hyperbole!
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't say a thing about socialist fixing anything. The issue is why we see more of a socialist political movement.

    But history proves that the middle/poorer classes shared in the gain before the Reagan "trickle down" revolution, and the really haven't since.
     
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    OOOOoooooooo "Be afraid! Be very afraid!"

    How do you get such conclusions? Where is the evidence any of that is valid? (Please address it in terms of the real meaning and intent of socialism, not some failed attempt to establish it.)
     
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    Venezuela once a prosperous country. Now a **** hole. Let's send Bernie Sanders there to help out.

    What this really says is "take out oil [oh, and by the way, that's at record lows in production and exports in its own right], and you have just about nothing," an economy weaker and lower than Haiti's. Strong economies are built on exports. And if your socialist central planners dictate the building of an economy on the high price of oil at the expense of everything else, not only will you not have an economy worth looking at except as you would a roadside crash, but you won't even have the oil, either.​
     
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    The politics of envy. They ALL had less, pre-Reagan!
     
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    Not really. While it is true that real incomes of the rich have exploded, real incomes of the middle class has barely changed.

    In other words, virtually all of the growth in income and prosperity has gone to the wealthy since the Reagan "trickle down" revolution. Precious little to working middle class folks who helped created it.

    Why?

    The politics of greed.

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    Family median income 2012 dollars
    http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/historical/families/2012/F06AR_2012.xls

    Year - income
    2012 62,241
    1979 57,734
    1953 31,929

    In the 26 years from 1953 to 1979, real median family income (in inflation adjusted terms) grew by 81%.

    In the 33 years from 1979 to 2012, real median family income (in inflation adjusted terms) grew by 8%.
    That equates to 0.25% growth per year.

    http://bea.gov/national/nipaweb/SelectTable.asp?Selected=N

    In the 26 years from 1953 to 1979, real GDP (in inflation adjusted terms) grew by 126.4%

    In the 33 years from 1979 to 2012, real GDP (in inflation adjusted terms) grew by 137.9%
    The real income of the bottom of the top 5% grew 308% in that same time period. That equates to 2.75% annual GDP growth, and 4.5% annual growth of the top 5%.

    http://bea.gov/national/xls/gdplev.xls
    https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/historical/inequality/

    The trillions of growth in income and wealth have not been shared with the middle classes since the Reagan "trickle down" revolution.
     
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    You're copying and pasting.

    You are NOT forming a rational answer to any question of interest.

    There is no question that Venezuela has had criminally bad leadership.
     
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    Crumbs? Does somebody owe you some money?
     
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    Nonsense it is because of globalism which has put American workers in competition with workers all over the world. No question that politicians are greedy but, for the most part, they are greedy about power.
     
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    I didn't say anything in my post about why this phenomenon has happened. I reported the facts of this, in effect, redistribution of income (and wealth) over the past 35 years from the middle class to the wealthy.

    With supporting data and links to the official sources of that data.

    Exactly what do you claim is "nonsense" about what I posted?
     
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    The politics of greed.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK. And why wouldn't this globalism you're talking about also be the politics of greed?
     

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