What is the bottom line why Socialism is really being pushed around the globe?

Suppose the majority were to vote for and call for such changes? I will acknowledge that such changes, if suddenly proposed all at once, would be very difficult to vote intelligently on, or to vote separately on. But fortunately such changes will not be all at once. People will be able to evaluate them gradually and have time to vote intelligently. And then they will have the right and opportunity to change decisions if appropriate. And I disagree that anyone would legislate some of the things you list, like telling people where to work and the value of their labor and the pricing of goods for example.

 

Not exactly.

Income inequality, especially on the fringes of the scale, is not the motivation.

Unfair and unequal treatment, especially financially, is more commonly the motivation.

This idea, that most people align with the agenda of income and wealth equality is false, and a fringe progressive ideal.

 

You're wasting your time.. He doesn't know.

 

Let's talk facts.

Norway has massive wealth inequality.



The distribution of net wealth is highly skewed in Norway. While average net wealth for households is NOK 1.6 million, the median net wealth is NOK 900 000. Households in the highest 10 percent for net wealth own roughly 53 per cent of total net wealth, the richest 1 per cent control 21 per cent, while the top 0.1 per cent own 10 per cent of total net wealth.
https://www.ssb.no/en/inntekt-og-forbruk/artikler-og-publikasjoner/wealth-distribution-in-norway

 

Compare that to the US...

 

U.S. wealth distribution in 2017 | Statistic

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This statistic shows the wealth distribution in the United States in 2017 based on family data. The distribution indicates that the lower-income 50 percent of the American population owned about 1.1 percent of the total wealth, while the 1 percent top-earners were in possession of about 35.5 percent of the wealth.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/203961/wealth-distribution-for-the-us/

 

What policy changes do you think it would take to achieve that in the USA?

 

I'm aware of its history. It was one of the wealthiest nation's in South America, slid into socialism and now the people are starving, butchering their zoo animals, the women are trafficking themselves to eat and they have widespread toilet paper shortages even will their currency has devaluated to the point that is so much trash on the ground. You can't carry enough to buy a cup of coffee. The only thing socialist regimes don't ever run out of, is zeros.

 

Nobody gives a damn what someone else makes. If you personally are better off, you're satisfied, if you aren't you are dissatisfied. The politics of envy don't sell her. Go peddle it that crap in some commie shithole that finds it interesting.

Here we are interested in individual rights, possessing them and respecting those of others.

 

The people embraced Chavez after decades of abuse .. He was a last ditch hope.. You obviously haven't paid attention to the history of VZ over the past 80 years.

 

Zorro, have you spent any time in Norway, Sweden, Denmark or Switzerland?

Trump doesn't know why they aren't immigrating to the US. Do you?

 

Never underestimate the lust of the left handed... Deep deep down inside, they still desperately need the possessions of another....
they cant help it, They got a 100k student loan debt, with a degree in White Male Hatred....

 

You're kidding, right? Do you have any idea what life is like under Communism?

No one gets to go their own way. No one gets to be an 'artist'. No one gets to sleep in.

It's a perpetual source of astonishment and delight to me that so many of those in support of such methods, are the least able to grasp what it will mean. And even more hysterically, the least able to actually live that way.

 

Exactly .. you really need nationalised free healthcare for all.

And agree, Northern Europe is not Socialist.

You are (America, that is) in the state you're in because of diversity? Well, plenty around here would agree with you Seriously though .. I'm all for diversity, but I'm absolutely opposed to non-integration. Culture/language/mores etc must all align .. regardless of skin tone or country of origin. That's the only way you'll ever have it as good as those Northern European nations.

 

That's another reason you need it, urgently. Once free healthcare and free education are provided to all ... there are no more excuses. You will know immediately who is and who isn't the genuine article (genuinely disenfranchised).

 

You aren't producing anything that could be considered an argument for socialism as a cause of their problems.

A sequence of events isn't an argument for cause.

 

Seriously believe what you want, but go peddle your commie horseshit somewhere where the politics of envy has currency, it does not in America. We are quite satisfied with our person rights, our Constitution and our Free Markets.

 

That's what we hear about every commie/socialist hell hole that collapses, if only the sophomore class of Santa Cruz College had implemented it, why, it would have been Paradise!

We like our system, it's better for us. Personal Rights, Free Choice, Free Markets

We have no interest in your socialist/commie crap. If you do, go buy some acreage and start a commune.

 

You are 100% correct, in every respect.

These 'marxist' whiners would be the first to lose their minds under actual Socialism or Communism. Both systems depend upon a conforming and essentially 'ultra-conservative' populace with a strong work ethic.

 

I'd point out that immigrants to America have learned English at a rapid rate, especially with children.

I'm not so sure I get the concern about culture, though.

And, the major impediment I see to integration comes from white America's view that skin tone is shackled to human value. We're seeing the police shooting unarmed children. We're seeing people call the police when a black man unlocks his car. We're seeing white supremacist marches. We're seeing Mosques burned. Etc., etc.

These events are numerous, and the attitudes they demonstrate are a clear and obvious impediment to cultural integration.

If we were ever to decide to promote cultural integration, we would have to stop such activity.

 

In which case, you have a very limited understanding of the Socialist/Communist model. Such a model absolutely depends upon an army of obedient laborers .. who have zero options when it comes to the nature or volume of their work.

Even in the small scale .. as I have experienced it .. that 'total slave' thing applies. If you're producing the food/water/housing etc for an entire community, there can be no personal preferences. It's survival. Extrapolate that up to a nation scale, and that fundamental not only doesn't change, but is in fact ... more so. On the small scale, momentary conditions can sometimes allow for a small amount of leisure or choice. That can't happen when you're working on much broader time (and size) scales. Even if you have 'a good crop', the impacts of that are not at your feet .. they're out there in the broader nation .. and spread over time.

 

I've just got to ask...

Are you actually thinking that having a single payer health care system means we're going to be communist and stop allowing people to be artists or to sleep in????

I mean, it SOUNDS like that's where you're going, so I just have to ask.

 

Socialism is coming up because young people have been systemically robbed of community and family. Socialism is inherently more in line with tribalism. Capitalism has enabled a super greedy class of old, retiring Americans and their rich piss ant trust fund babies to essentially hijack our democracy.

Socialism exists because capitalism is such a damned fraud.

 

There are many reasons there have been collapses in various nations throughout the world.

YOU are suggesting that it is tied to one factor.

There really isn't any evidence that is the case.

I like our system, too, though I do think a parliamentary system is better. But, let's be rational about this.

Also, please remember we are NOT the only nation with personal rights, free choice, free speech, free markets, etc.

In fact, when America helps other nations set up a new government, we tell them NOT to use our system!

 

Very few in America are interested in communism - FAR too few to have any weight in decisions we make.

And, we are just as disinterested in being a socialist country, too.