After Helsinki: Sh**storm Fall Out for Trump in the US

I see them as being part of the same War Party that Hilary was part of. And largely owned by the secret state who pull their levers when required.

The US political landscape has, for a long time now, been a two party system that acts like a profoundly one-party state (the same is true for the UK too, albeit to a lesser extent).

In the West we have a system of governance that sees business, government, the media, education, unions etc etc., working together -- often, if not usually, against the interests of their citizens.

Simply look at the VIP lists of those who are invited to attend a Bilderberg Conference, or Trilateral Commission, or the Davos annual meetings to see this for yourself. The full weight of the hosting government's security, intelligence and police (and sometimes the military too) apparatus are deployed to protect those who attend the meeting. We as the tax-payers fund this, but of course, are not permitted to attend or usually know what has been discussed (Davos being somewhat different though).

 

You claimed he made money off the war so you have to be basing that off of some proof.

Where is your proof?

Or are you admitting you are just guessing?

 

The only problem was that he started bloody multintrillion dollar war with Iraq who had nothing to do with 9/11. However, his propaganda ministry over at Fox News convinced a lot of nit wits that Sadaam attacked us on 9/11...Bush and Cheney are a couple of war profiteering scumbags.

 

Helsinki?

 

The Capital city of Finland where Trump just made a complete ass of himself yesterday.

 

Actually that was Chaney and Bush who supressed dissenting opinions within the intelligence community.

But it is a least encouraging to see that even you cannot defend Trump's sellout to Russia and find it necesaary to divert to the past.

 

No, the intelligence people gave Bush a bunch of information and said it looks like they may be getting ready to hit us...but we can't be 100% sure...but here you go.

That was separate from 9/11 and Afghanistan.

Bush shared this information with our allies and congress and all agreed there was enough to warrant the attack.

So he made the call and our allies and congress backed him.

As they should have.

We know now that the intelligence was faulty, they didn't know that then and Bush had to weigh being wrong and doing nothing and risking possibly millions dead or invading a foreign nation at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives.

I think that any president, democrat or republican, would have made the same call then.

We didn't know then what we know now.

In fact there were two congressional investigations about his decision to go to war and they both found that it was legitimate.

Bush was an honest guy, I think most people agree with that, he just had to make a seriously messed up decision either way.

 

" There are none so blind as those who will not see"

 

Blackwater!

 

You need to look no further than Cheney, Rumsfeld and company to find the problem with Iraq.

 

I have to amend that comment

NewsMax which is usually conservative has some bozo on who is ripping trump for the russia summit

And WBAP radio in Dallas has a conservative host who is fit to be tied about trump this morning

So its not just lib wackos who are out of their minds over russia

 

Feel free to expand on that.

 

Nooooothing is being reported about this, and that does seem very strange since a billion and a half in "illicit" income would indicate a major criminal enterprise, then there's Putin's claim no taxes were paid on this, neither to Russia or the US and the taxes on a billion and a half dollars would also be significant. Finally there's those $400 million to Hillary's campaign, that's a substantial amount (I think more than half of what she spent).

What I wonder about is what Putin told Trump behind closed doors, likely Putin knows exactly what 'kompromat' (if any) Mueller has, after all it has to be tied to Russian spies and he has very close ties to the KGB. Putin knows if there's anything to this collusion, if anyone from Russia ever sent a text, made a call, or had a drink with anyone who even just knew someone on Trump's campaign team, Putin knows. He also is certain to know every effort anyone in the US intelligence community has ever made to uncover anything relating to Trump in Russia.

I think this is why Mueller produced his latest indictment, he was trying hard to prevent these two from sitting down together to talk about things.

But I also know Americans are living in two separate worlds.

Russia probably 'meddled', it isn't surprising, those Facebook ads, and the fake rallies organized by Russian trolls on Twitter couldn't possibly have much impact. Mueller's latest indictment is more significant if he has evidence the actual GRU was involved, but I wonder how he could without access to the DNC's computers.

 

You seem like a nice kid Spooky, but I really don't want to rehash the idiotic Iraq debaucle now. One thing I do like about Trump so far is that he has not started any bloody trillion dollar turd hunts yet. If he doesn't do that or sit on his ass while we get bludgeoned on our home turf like Cheney/Bush did, he will be better than those guys in my book.By this time in Cheney/Bush regime, we had 3000 dead civilians in New York and they were busily lying us into an idiotic 10 year war. By these standards, Trump is a success. Now if he can get his head out of Putin's ass long enough to work across party lines to improve our health care system and build our infrastructure, he can win reelection and become a pretty decent President. It is still early for him and I really wish him luck.

 

And that report contained a caveat. It seems it was not based upon hard evidence, but opinion, accessments. The report included that caveat, but some people cannot read, apparently.

To date, the american people have seen zero evidence to back the accessment. We are just supposed to trust people in intel. For they would never lie in front of congress nor break the law and spy on their own oversight committee. And got away with it, btw. But we should always trust them, even when we are presented no evidence? JFK showed americans secret photos, classified info because he thought the american people had a right to see it, given it involved a possible MAD. No longer the case today? Why?

The relations with russia, who can destroy us is really bad. And this is not the time for partisan politics, in trying to win the power back in DC. We need the adults to take control, the responsible and this politically driven madness is insanity.

Making claims without evidence, in regards to another nuclear power is irresponsible behavior. And politics is involved, have no doubt about that. And still no proof has been given to the People. Some of us simply do not need it. For political reasons.

 

What, you don't want to see the world get along? The collusion thing is evaporating. So get Trump on a gotcha question...a lack of delicacy from a ham fisted businessman? Please, the endless ploys are boring. Not to mention distracting from addressing the nations real needs as opposed to the lefts insatiable lust for power.

 

Well my hats off to you sir.

You are the first person on the left who has actually given Trump credit for something and you are also someone who seems to look at things through a clear lense, not just a Trump hate filled one.

Given that, I feel that you and I can have a serious discussion about Trump and I will be the first to tell you that I have some serious problems with him.

On a side note I can also say that with a reasonable person such as yourself that I can also attribute some successes to Obama. He actually did some wonderful things.

It would be nice to take the blinders off once in awhile yes?

 

They are all against you, right Mac? Deep State! Lol

 

I am not a leftist. I am an American..

 

My apologies.

Yes you are and its nice to meet you

 

Well said. They continually put Trump in impossible positions and partisan lights, out of which he continuously seems to get. And yet all they can do is criticize his lack of grace.

 

No

Most NewsMax hosts are not attacking trump

And neither is the WBAP host an anti trumpster

But they are reacting to the Helsinki summet differently than I am

 

All out allies? I think not.

 

This site could do with more reasonable and mature discussion.

 

The important ones did.

Who cares what Morocco thought about it.