The Trump/Putin Alliance

Nice try. This is 2018, and we are discussing 2018 issues, not issues six years old.

 

Trump wouldn't have to use the term fake news if there wasn't so much of it coming out. When you doctor a tape to make the Texas governor look racist by cutting off his words and then say he meant something else, it's fake news. When you adjust your camera to make a Black man carrying weapons and pretend he is White that's fake news. When you say the President cut billions out of children's health care when in truth, not one cent was cut, that is fake news. When you cut a video to make it look like the First Lady of Poland refused a hand shake with the President, that is fake news. MSNBC is famous of doctoring film to make things look different than they usually are and they aren't alone. This kind of crap goes on continually.

 

And what do you want? War with Russia? Hillary Clinton did.

US involvement with Syria was a blunder. Whoever rules Syria will be a murderous dictator and Assad's opposition are all jihadists of one type or another.

Ukraine is another blunder of US foreign policy when it supported the coup against the elected (but pro-Russian) government in order to install a pro-EU government.

Both of these situations were aggressions against Russia by interfering with its legitimate sphere of influence.

Let Russia have its sphere of influence and the US to have its. Let us both restrain China and Islamic jihadism together.

Wouldn't that make for a more peaceful world?

How is a bellicose US attitude toward Russia in your interest? It is in the interest of the global capitalists which want a regime change in Russia so they can gain control of Russian resources and markets. But I don't see how that is in my interest.

Can you explain how it is in my interest?

 

I don't think Trump has forgotten Russian aggression in the Ukraine. He sent weapons to Ukraine to help stop Russian backed aggression which didn't make the Russians happy. Obama didn't, at least didn't send the weapons Ukraine needed to do any good.

I think we have been in Syria for years now, not only fighting ISIS but the backers of Assad. So far how has that worked out for us? You have to know Russia is going to back Assad, their second biggest Allie in the Middle East. We are withdrawing our support for Iran's nuclear deal. It seems to me Trump is fighting Russian interests on all the fronts the Libs seem concerned about. So how do we change things? Keep butting heads with the Russians, or trying to make friendlier relations with them and hope that they can rein in their actions backing the resistance in Ukraine and rein in Iran and Syria? We aren't going to attack those countries and the Russians aren't going to give up on them, so what's the answer? To me the answer is to see if we can improve Russian relations and try and get them to rein in the actions of their partners. Least we keep going on like we are doing for years and nothing gets settled.

 

This is absolutely astonishing.

When an American journalist asked Trump whether he believes U.S. intelligence or Putin, Trump replied, “They said they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin; he just said it’s not Russia.”

“I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be,” Trump added. “I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...1bf7847b375_story.html?utm_term=.5675b68a41dc

In any other admin this would cause multiple resignations by members of the national security staff in protest over President Duplicity siding with a foreign adversary over out intel community and the overwhelming evidence presented by the Special Counsel's office.

 

Former CIA Director John Brennan blasted President Trump with a scathing tweet following Monday's press conference with Vladimir Putin, decrying his comments as "imbecilic."



John O. Brennan ✔ @JohnBrennan


Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of “high crimes & misdemeanors.” It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???

8:52 AM - Jul 16, 2018

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/...-react-donald-trumps-comments-russia-meddling

Regarding Russia's interference in our election, Trump threw our intelligence agencies under the bus. “They said, ‘I think it is Russia.’ I have President Putin. He just said it is not Russia,” Trump said in Helsinki after a two-hour private meeting with the Russian leader. “I will say this: I do not see any reason why it would be.”

One of President Trump’s outstanding appointments has been Dan Coats, his director of national intelligence. Coats sounded the alarm on cyber threats to America — from Russia, in particular. “The warning signs are there,” said the DNI. “The system is blinking. It is why I believe we are at a critical point.” The digital infrastructure of the United States “is literally under attack.”

Trump ignored him.

Following Trump's treasonous news conference with Putin, Coats stated, “We have been clear in our assessments of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and their ongoing, pervasive efforts to undermine our democracy, and we will continue to provide unvarnished and objective intelligence in support of our national security.”

 

Does Russia have compromising information -- "Kompromat" -- on Trump?

The issue came up point-blank and Putin and Trump sidestepped the question.

What neither man said was "no."

Putin was asked directly, "Does the Russian government have any compromising material on President Trump or his family?"

"And now, to the compromising material," he said. "Yeah, I did hear these rumors that we allegedly collected compromising material on Mr. Trump when he was visiting Moscow. Well, distinguished colleague, let me tell you this: When President Trump was at Moscow back then, I didn't even know that he was in Moscow. I treat President Trump with utmost respect, but back then when he was a private individual, a businessman, nobody informed me that he was in Moscow."

Putin then segued to all the rich and powerful people who visit Russia and how he can't keep track of them, and he rambled on, never dealing with the question.

Everything Putin says is planned in advance and in detail. Nothing is left to chance. He knows more about the American media than a New York Times reporter. He knew what they would ask before they asked it. He is everything Trump isn't.

In other words, he was telling the world, yes, we have "Kompromat" on Trump without really saying so. Remember, to this intriguing question, he never said no.

 

Well, evidently you are not..... any more.

 

Trump sycophant, Newt Gingrich took exception to Trump's performance at the news conference in Helsinki.


Newt Gingrich ✔ @newtgingrich


President Trump must clarify his statements in Helsinki on our intelligence system and Putin. It is the most serious mistake of his presidency and must be corrected—-immediately.

2:15 PM - Jul 16, 2018

Boy, Trump pissed off Gingrich. He is in serious trouble with Republicans.

Not his base, though. His fan base always supports him, no matter what. After all, Trump is about to appoint his second Supreme Court judge. Nothing else matters. Trump can verbally attack his own country, which he did. Trump can reject the intelligence from his own agencies and believe a communist dictator instead, which he did. His comments today were clearly treasonous, and they were.

But his base won't care. He is appointing two judges.

 

Gingrich isn't the only Republican taking issue with Trump. Even Senate Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell aroused himself. In the case of Trump's often moronic comments, that is, indeed rare. “The Russians are not our friends. I’ve said that repeatedly, I say it again today. And I have complete confidence in our intelligence community and the findings that they have announced.” He refused to answer questions.

The leader of the House, Paul Ryan, contributed to the growing list of Republican leaders denouncing Trump. "There is no question that Russia interfered in our election and continues attempts to undermine democracy here and around the world. That is not just the finding of the American intelligence community but also the House Committee on Intelligence," Ryan said.

Ryan continued, "The president must appreciate that Russia is not our ally. There is no moral equivalence between the United States and Russia, which remains hostile to our most basic values and ideals. The United States must be focused on holding Russia accountable and putting an end to its vile attacks on democracy."

Sen. Ben Sasse, a Republican from Nebraska, issued a blistering statement just minutes after the press conference wrapped up. "This is bizarre and flat-out wrong. The United States is not to blame. America wants a good relationship with the Russian people but Vladimir Putin and his thugs are responsible for Soviet-style aggression. When the President plays these moral equivalence games, he gives Putin a propaganda win he desperately needs."

"The President's summit in Helsinki today should have been an attempt at confronting Russian aggression, hacking, and election interference," Sen. Tim Scott, a South Carolina Republican, said in a tweet. "Russia is not a friend or ally. As Americans, we stand up for our interests and values abroad; but I fear today was a step backwards."

"I am confident former CIA Director and current Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, DNI Dan Coats, Ambassador Nikki Haley, FBI Director Chris Wray, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and others will be able to communicate to the President it is possible to conclude Russia interfered with our election in 2016 without delegitimizing his electoral success," Rep. Trey Gowdy, a South Carolina Republican said in a statement.

I could go on, but I am rather certain everyone sees my point. Trump is in a heap of trouble, politically. His disgraceful performance will not be forgotten. Democrats won't allow it to be forgotten.

 

Does it matter any more what a Trump supporter thinks?

 

The Democratic Party doesn't even pretend to be rational, nor are the endless new TDS ranting OPs of the OPer.

This is what he is claiming: That President Trump demanding that NATO countries build up their militaries is what Russia and Putin want. LITERALLY, the OPer is NOW arguing that PUTIN want NATO countries to double and triple their military spending because more than anything Putin wants as strong of NATO countries as possible and the last thing Putin wants is NATO countries to be defenseless.

THAT IS JUST HOW ABSOLUTELY ABSURD TDS HAS TAKEN MANY DEMOCRATS.

NEXT, he'll be arguing the massively greater sanctions on Russia President Trump has imposed and President Trump building up the US military also is what Putin wants. Same absurd claim as the OP message.

 

Russia would make a better friend than enemy. I think President Trump understands that.

 

Maybe because we can see what many others can't. Hell I remember the Left and a lot on the Right thought Trump said there were some nice KKK in the protest over taking down the statue of Gen Lee in Virginia. They still trying to crucify him thinking that is what he meant. Now they haven't got the slightest idea of what Trump was trying to do but lick Putin's boots, when the real boot licker was Obama and no one said a thing when he was doing it.

 

You are just saying that parroting what the former communist and former CIA Director Brennan said. Same Brennan who did nothing (or very little) to try to stop Russian interference throughout 2016 even though that was his job -- until officially stopped by Obama.

 

This isn't about the Democratic Party.

25% of Republicans are Russian sympathizers.

A quarter of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents (25%) said they had a favorable view of Putin, compared with just 9% of Democrats and Democratic leaners. These views have changed little since last year.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...s-on-trump-putin-and-the-countries-they-lead/

That is Trump's base. According to his base, Trump, who also is sympathetic to Russia judging by his treasonous remarks yesterday, can do no wrong.

Trump sycophant, Newt Gingrich took exception to Trump's performance at the news conference in Helsinki.


Newt Gingrich ✔ @newtgingrich


President Trump must clarify his statements in Helsinki on our intelligence system and Putin. It is the most serious mistake of his presidency and must be corrected—-immediately.

2:15 PM - Jul 16, 2018

Boy, Trump pissed off Gingrich. He is in serious trouble with Republicans.

Not his base, though. His fan base always supports him, no matter what. After all, Trump is about to appoint his second Supreme Court judge. Nothing else matters. Trump can verbally attack his own country, which he did. Trump can reject the intelligence from his own agencies and believe a communist dictator instead, which he did. His comments yesterday were clearly treasonous, and they were.

But his base doesn't care. He is appointing two judges.

 

Well, that's obvious, but we're playing 'pretend' here.

 

Brennan is a political hack.

You de-legitimize your arguments by quoting him.

Please quote someone who can be taken seriously.

 

How about Dan Coats? He is also in the post you replied to.

Brennan is a former CIA director, but you call him a "political hack." Of course, that is a matter of opinion.

The point being, Trump's performance yesterday was treasonous. So, naturally, you spend your time on Brennan. That says a lot about you.

 

Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, a Trump appointee, warned Trump about the cybersecurity threat from Russia.
Coats, speaking at the Hudson Institute last week, cautioned that U.S. digital infrastructure is "under attack." Russia, the intelligence director asserted, is the "worst offender" among foreign entities.

During the news conference with Putin, Trump said, “They said, ‘I think it is Russia.’ I have President Putin. He just said it is not Russia. I will say this: I do not see any reason why it would be. I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial.”

Today, Trump gave us some B.S. about how he misspoke. He meant to say "wouldn't," not "would," making his statement, "I do not see any reason why it wouldn't be."

The change makes the sentence a double negative, which makes no sense in its context. Also, it doesn't change the damaging statements before and after the now confusing sentence. The original sentence makes more sense from a syntax point of view.

Following Trump's treasonous remarks in the news conference, Coats said in a statement that U.S. intelligence has been "clear in our assessments of Russian meddling." He asserted that agencies "will continue to provide unvarnished and objective intelligence in support of our national security."

Lawmakers, national security experts, and political pundits were divided over whether Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats should resign after President Trump broke his own U.S. intelligence community when he characterized Russian President Vladimir Putin's denials that Kremlin-linked operatives interfered in the 2016 election as "extremely strong and powerful."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ts-should-resign-over-trumps-helsinki-remarks

Why are you sympathetic to Putin?

 

I wonder if anyone on any thread, including this one, will use Trump's statements today in defense of the President.

Or do even his fans know Trump was full of B.S.

 

I don't know about Dan Coats. I don't have any reason to believe that he's untrustworthy.

I have seen and heard Brennan. Brennan is a political hack.

 

Just curious....did you get your panties in a knot when Obama said off-mike to the Russian, "Tell Vladimeer I'll have more flexibility after my last and final election?" I know TDS has a strong embrace over you.

 

There is nothing in your post other than insignificant dislike of Trump's words. Ho hum.
How did you get I am sympathetic to Putin. Putin is a nasty enemy. My point was that instead of yelling "treason" out of his ass, we might have been better off if Brennan did even some of his job to thwart the Russians during 2015 and 2016.

 

I'm intrigued by this idea that Obama stopped efforts to prevent Russian interference. Help me out, where does it come from? Is this a new talking point to cover for McConnell?

How Mitch McConnell Prevented Stronger Action Against Russian Election Meddling

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...action_against_russian_election_meddling.html