Why Trump's Comments About Montenegro Were a Win for Vladimir Putin

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  1. PeppermintTwist

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    A few snips but here is the gist of it....
    We are all aware that Trump is doing Putin's bidding for his own self-serving agenda as well. Two lying thieving smarmy guys that together are not worth **** as humans, are giving each other cover and it all boils down to insatiable greed.
     
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    It’s worth noting that Montenegro is a state that brokeaway from Serbia, a major Russian ally.

    Trump is essentially calling into question whether or not we would defend a NATO ally if a Russian ally tried to pull a Crimea/Ukraine on them.
     
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    Trump gave Putin the green light to invade this nation when he more or less stated that they were not worth fighting for and likely why their meeting was so secretive.
     
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    This is too important to not bump up. It appears as if Montenegro is destined to be the next Crimea with a little help from Trump.
     
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    LOL -- You Trump haters are trying so hard. The rank and file Americans, the hard workers, and the patriots, know he is doing the right thing. That's what counts and you guys need to get behind the man and start ignoring the loony democrats and the liberal bias MSM.
     
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    And Trump apologists are never able to argue, debate or refute the issue at hand as you are unable to do now. Trump/Putin/Montenegro...that is the subject, so address it or admit that you are just blowing hot air.
     
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    Just so I'm clear on your position, Montenegro only joined NATO last year. So you are in favor of expanding the NATO alliance to more and more countries, putting the US at risk of going to war should any of these countries get into a conflict?

    You are willing to fight and die for Montenegro? How about Georgia? The Ukraine?
     
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    Yep, add all of them.

    We're only at risk of going to war if they get invaded or attacked by a hostile power.
     
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    What interest do the US have in defending Montenegro? What is our interest their? Nice beaches? What strategic resources does Montenegro bring to NATO that makes them a valuable member of the alliance?
     
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    What interest did any member of NATO have in sending troops to help the US in Afghanistan after we invoked Article 5 when we were attacked on 9/11?
     
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    Sorry but that sounds insane to me. I can't see what possible US interest is there in adding more and more countries to NATO; countries that can do little or nothing for us, other than expanding the risk of going to war.
     
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    Probably very little. And they only got burned by it. Why risk the loss of more blood and treasure with Montenegro?
     
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    They got burned by helping us when we asked for help how?

    Should they have been cowards and turned us away in our hour of need like you want us to be?
     
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    I find this whole situation odd to say the least. What is NATO's thinking on this? I haven't a clue how it strengthens the alliance. Montenegro isn't in the North Atlantic. Isn't that the purpose of the alliance? You know, that NA thing.
     
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    The loss of blood and treasure on a feckless mission.

    It is not a question of cowardice. It is a matter of interest.
     
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    Defending America after we had been attacked was a feckless mission?

    Its in our interest to not be cowards who would sell out their friends rather than stand by their sides.
     
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    The damn war is still going on and NATO countries are no safer because of it. Rather less so, I should think. Sounds pretty feckless to me.

    Well, let us be more discerning in who we choose as friends if we are going to have to stand by their sides. That leaves out Montenegro, imo.
     
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    Oh please.

    You guys now think that anything Trump does is because of Putin.

    Its laughable at this point.
     
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    Agreed.

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    They think the solution is more posturing.
     
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    I don't believe Montenegro is the same as Crimea and the Ukraine. Montenegro was never part of the USSR. Putin would have a hard time convincing anyone that Russia has any claim on Montenegro.

    However, they are part of NATO and we have should not be making distinctions based on size or importance to the US.
     
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    Don't worry about it you can always get bone spurs.
     
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    I'm assuming you wouldn't have said that if you weren't a veteran, so to be clear...are you? I am. I've more than done my time, and now I have a child in the service. If the government is going to risk my child's life, I would want it to be worthwhile. Are you telling me that having Montenegro join NATO is worth any American child's life? If so, please explain how.
     
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    We understand that "progressive" means "corporate fascist" and accordingly also means warmongering and death.

    At this point, the Democratic Party and their "progressives" are openly at war with Europeans and the EU leftwing - on behalf of Exxon, Mobile and the rest of the American fossil fuel industry - specifically natural gas.

    So, how much stock in Exxon do you have?
     
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    The Democratic Party and the Republican neocons want militarism and war - forever, everywhere. The Democratic Party - now the Corporate Fascist Party - is the party of war and death.
     

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