Did anybody change their mind today?

Ladies and Gentlemen, please read, The Origins of Totalitarianism (1951) to understand how fascism works. The US is a great laboratory for watching fascism evolve today. Also, read Jacques Ellul's book, "Propaganda: The Formation Of Men's Attitudes, (1965). You may think you are too smart for fall for propaganda, but state propagandists are much, much smarter than you.

 

This is insane. What gives you the idea that we need to be "pals" with Russia to demand that they cooperate in Syria? Russia knows (or believes) that Assad is going to be around much longer than Trump. So he's not going to go to war with Assad. And if we want to rain in Iran's ability to make nuclear weapons, how does pulling out of the Iran deal help us do that? We can work with Russia, we don't have to "get along" with them. Much less bow down to them. In the end, Putin will do whatever the hell he wants. And us pushing away our allies puts us in great peril, for when that happens.

He says it every single time he goes out of script. Then somebody writes a speech to take it back (like the idiotic "would-wouldn't" excuse), but it doesn't take long before he goes out of script again and.... we do it all over again. In the end, it makes absolutely no difference if he believes it or not. The effect is the same. If he does believe that Putin was involved, why is he not doing anything whatsoever about it? For God's sake, it's an attack! It's not with conventional weapons, but it can do much more damage to our institutions than he could ever hope to do with conventional weapons. Playing the "Chamberlain-card" with Putin is idiotic and serves no purpose other than to empower Putin.

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There is no Russian and Chines help without us receiving 100% backing from our allies. I predict that Putin will give Trump some "appearance" of helping, just to give Trump some political "talking point". And Trump and his supporters will be thrilled and high-five each other all over the place on Fox. But when diplomatic experts and military experts point out that it's not a real step towards a solution, or that Putin can "undo" it in a heartbeat, Trump and his cult will simply scream "Corrupt media!" at the top of their lungs.

Absolutely! For God's sake: he attacked us! And he's still attacking us as we speak. Nothing has changed. He shouldn't embarrass him. Why is he so concerned with embarrassing the leader of a puny little country like Russia, but not much larger economies like Germany, Canada, U.K., EU, He should do much more than embarrass Putin. He needs to publicly threaten him. And follow through with his threats. More sanctions. We are relatively weak in Cyber defense. But we are the most powerful nation in Cyber offensive.

And, BTW, our allies would be pretty powerful too, in cyber-warfare. And they are being attacked by Putin too. Let's announce a joint attack if Putin does not cut it out! This idiotic "trade war" against our allies, combined with us disparaging NATO and the G7 is nuts!

That's ridiculous. First of all, liberals don't need more reasons to impeach Trump. They have more than they need. The problem is the opposite: there are so many that nobody can even focus. But, more importantly: Liberals know that Trump is not going to be removed through impeachment. They might somehow, through a miracle, get the procedures approved in the House.... they will never get past the Senate, even if Republicans were not majority.

If Trump is ever to be removed, it will be because of Mueller. And even then, he is likely to be protected by this very partisan and ideological Supreme Court.

So no. unless he commits some outrageous criminal act, he's going to finish his term. What liberals want is that he doesn't destroy the country before the next President comes to fix the damage he has already done.

Oh... You can't be that uninformed! You actually believe these idiotic things that Trump says? I ask again: what more can Trump do to prove to you that he is a pathological liar.

No! Trump has thrown flowers at Russia. The thorn in Putin's side is called the "Magnitsky Act". And it was signed by Obama. It's the one thing he wants removed. It effectively freezes Putin's assets around the world, and those of his closest accomplices. Remember the Trump Tower meeting with Junior, and Flynn and Kuchner.... and others... with Russian government representatives in which they were seeking "dirt" on Hillary? That was the Magnitzky act. And the latest Russian agent collaborating with NRA. Front and center in her mission. Other countries have passed their own Magniitzky act, and Trump has tried to rescind it in ours but.... fortunately... he has been blocked.

And there is. There is a way to not go to war without bowing down to our enemy.

Only thing Trump has proven is that he can shame himself and our country before Putin far beyond what the dictator had ever hoped for.

 

Early in Trump's administration he also stated in public that he had not much faith in the intelligence agencies. I think that was not long after either Clapper or Brennan had played Pinocchio before Congress while under oath.

I didn't vote for Trump, and consider him an embarrassment to this country.

Nonetheless, his mistrust of our intelligence agencies is spot on. The CIA has been running drugs long before Iran Contra.

So the meeting on Monday was about what I expected.

Having not voted for him, I took some measure of solace in hoping that he would pursue détente with Russia, long overdue.

 

Trump didn't bend over on the world stage.

Stop making crap up.

 

The best way to think about it is Putin playing Trump for a fool--it is all pay back for the US interfering in the Ukraine.
The US spent $5 billion dollars through NGOs to fund fascists and 'color" revolutions, destabilized the Ukraine, installed a Puppet oligarch.

What is Putin doing? Funding the Alt-Right fascists, installed a corrupt oligarch, destabilized international relations, caused conflict in the US. It's all payback and Blowback...and rightfully so!

 

Oh? sure looked like that to the rest of the world. Maybe you should take a moment to find out what other nations and stations are saying.

 

And where is the $4000 bucks you were going to get as the average pay increase from all the tax cuts? You seem selective in what kind of lies you are prepared to accept and which you get your nose outta joint with.

Bullying doesn't get things done. Its bullying. He attacks individual private citizens, he attacks government institutions, he attacks American allies, he tries to bully the media. He is a bully and is not very effective at getting anything done. Its easy to demolish, its harder to renovate and even harder to build. But I get that the Alley Oop school of management is attractive to many trump supporters.

AS to lazy, perhaps you are unaware his intense golf schedule
https://trumpgolfcount.com/
I know that makes him athletic. I recall the right going apeshit about obama's infrequent golf games but for some reason seem to think trump doing it is okay. like lying, like apologizing for america, like bowing before world leaders to name but a few of the rights litany of egregious obama sins.

He blew it big time. He hired crooks and criminals. He hired incompetent unqualified ninnies. Turnover is at unhearded of levels. Open positions still remain in the triple digits. Sad sack after sad sack and the bureaucratic incompetence is readily apparent.
A small example: It took 5 minutes to separate kids from their parents. Its taken them more than 10 weeks and the still can't get em returned.

Bigoted? Ample evidence. His dog whistle language wrt immigrants and blacks. His history. HIs almost lilly white administration. His pandering to fascist scumbag racists, his support for discrimination on religious grounds, I could go on, but it just doesn't matter to many of his supporters.

 

Other nations and stations?

You mean the people who hate Trump.

Why would I care what the Trump haters have to say or think????

 

I guess you should look around more, or perhaps apart from science and religion and the middle east, I'm keenly interested in American politics. WE canadians have a vested interest in what goes on with our closest ally, business partner and friend . A seriously vested interest.

Then there is the fact that I have a personal bigotry against radical racist right wing fascist fringers of all nationalities, white supremacists and non racist ultra nationalists. Seems there are quite a few members here who fit those classifications. So naturally you'd be exposed to more of my posts than many other member.

As for your troll accusation,

I don't troll, I merely use facts, reason and logics wrapped in excoriation and ridicule as required to confront the subjects of my bigotries. If it pisses you off, think of it as me merely returning balance to the world.

As for spammer, apparently you have no clue what one is.

Keep thinking about me tho and it just might dawn on you that I am what I have consistently said I am. I am not afraid to declare myself, unlike virtually every rrrwff scumbag and run of the mill racist I have ever encountered.

 

"My karma ran over your dogma." LOL!!! That's best I have seen!

 

I have noticed a trend. Whenever Trump demonstrates his incompetence, trumpettes always try to claim its only Trump haters hating trump that is the problem. Not Trump's obvious blundering, lying and repeated demonstrations of lack of character.

Have you ever once paused to consider why people hate or dislike or oppose Trump? It couldn't be that he is of such low lying character, or that he is willfully ignorant, or that he's too full of himself to take sound advice from people who know way more than he does or that he continually smears the very foundation of American Democracy, now could it?

And I am certainly not surprised why you ask that question. You shouldn't care because if you did, you wouldn't be able to blindly support your ally in the white house. Can you be any more transparent?

 

Trump is not incompetent.

Trump is very competent.

 

No, Trump is very incontinent, that's why he peed on the bed!

 

Well if one considers incompetence as something a person can be competent at, then I totally agree.

 

And this is why the left can't be taken seriously.

 

Yeah because they make jokes about the Dear Leader. I know, why not make "insulting the president" a crime like Erdogan has, then you and turmp's problems can all go away along with locking up the opposition.

Unfortunately the world has to take Trump seriously. Like a heart attack seriously.

 

Not seeking to become their "friends"... that's for sure. And definitely not at the expense of our allies, as Trump has. Nor did she hide anything from Congress, or from the People.

And most definitely not after they had attacked our political system!

Your comparison is beyond absurd. It's like saying "why didn't you criticize FDR when he agreed to meet with Stalin in private"

 

And it just so happens they work into your agenda of denigrating Trump. I can see where you're coming from!

 

Its not an agenda. Funny how you can't fathom that I am not the cause, merely the effect of trump and his mindless followers and rrrwff allies trying to defend the indefensible . Care to declare yourself - are you a follower or an ally.

As for denigrating trump, it is HIS WORDS, HIS ACTIONS, HIS LYING, HIS BULLSHIT, HIS IGNORANCE, HIS BULLYING, HIS SELF AGGRANDIZEMENT, HIS ARSE KISSING OF MURDEROUS DICTATORS, HIS KIDNAPPING INNOCENT CHILDREN, HIS DERELICTION OF DUTY AS CINC, to name just a few,

Now if you think that his behavior warrants sycophantic acceptance and fallacious bullshit defense, there ain't no amount of fact, reason or logic that is going to convince you otherwise.

Its obvious you can't see where I am coming from because you are too caught up in defining you world by right and left. I get that tribalism trumps intellect. History informs us, its always been like that.

 

OI, I'm one of his mindless followers and a right-wing nutter!!

'His kidnapping of innocent children' Yeah, then he probably ate them for breakfast. Get a ****ing life!

 

I am an independent. I dislike ideologies and extreme positions. Your post is proof of TDS existing.

 

President Obama imposed strict sanctions on Russia that included deporting 35 spies and seizing 2 Russian estates in the USA in 2016 over Election hacking.

As soon as Trump was sworn in he has been trying to overturn these sanctions.

Later Congress voted overwhelmingly to impose additional sanctions which Trump refused to sign

Trump is a Traitor !!!


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/us/politics/russia-election-hacking-sanctions.html
President Obama struck back at Russia on Thursday for its efforts to influence the 2016 election, ejecting 35 suspected Russian intelligence operatives from the United States and imposing sanctions on Russia’s two leading intelligence services.

The administration also penalized four top officers of one of those services, the powerful military intelligence unit known as the G.R.U.

 

As someone from half way around the world with a state media that is very opposed to Trump and the GOP in general maybe I can offer some perspective.

What are "the crimes" of Russia?

1. They gave missiles to people who shot down a passenger plane.

2. They annexed Crimea.

3. They're involved in a proxy war with the West over the Middle East.

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On 1, I can guarantee you that when news reached Putin about MH17 his reaction was some Russian translation of "**** me". It doesn't help Russia in any way, but massively ****s them over diplomatically. Russia didn't want MH17 downed any more than Holland did.

On 2, Crimeans want to be a Federal city in the Russian Federation. I don't like that either, I'd prefer they be independent of Russia and the EU, but alas they voted and joined Russia. Reputable Western polling consistently shows above 75% support for this amongst Crimeans. If you don't like the Russian referendum that's fine, hold another one. But really, the EU and the rest of the Ukraine are trying to deprive Crimeans of their right to local autonomy. Just as the EU and the rest of Spain are in Catalonia.

On 3, fair cop. They're siding with Iran, Syria and Palestine over virtually the entire remainder of the Middle East, allied with the US. That's geopolitics. They view the US as an adversary and have no legitimate trade options unlike China which is investing big in Africa. This is because of Western sanctions and the fact that until they annexed Crimea they had no year round harbour. Trade requires naval power and ports.

Trump is in a difficult place. Either he knows he has colluded with Russia or he knows he is innocent. I can't see how he would not know if he has colluded. If he is innocent, a lot of this makes sense. If he's guilty and knows it, it makes little sense to praise Russia, agree with Putin on meddling, etc.

Likely he knows that he's innocent and so thinks that the whole thing is fabricated, and is acting accordingly. Or he just made one of the most stupid mistakes of any President ever.

Clearly his would/wouldn't word salad was bullshit, I think we can all see that.

 

obama's actions were meaningless and had no real effect. Why did he refuse to arm folks in the Ukraine to defend against Russian aggression? Why did he back off his "red line" in Syria? He knew about the Russian "meddling" and did nothing. And let's not forget Uranium One....geez, obama play dead when it came to Russia.

 

The right needs to realize that the only one who denigrates Trump is Trump. He does so in the things he says and does. What everybody else does is to point out what Trump says and does.