THE BIBLE: God’s Word or Man’s?

Did Durandel say the Book of Enoch was in the Bible? I've read it for what it's worth. It's a pseudepigraphical work as are many other works. There are literally dozens of other books of the same ilk.

Isaiah was written over a period of centuries by at least 2-3 different writers. The writings and styles are different and cover 3 distinct periods.

 

According the wiki ..

It is not part of the biblical canon as used by Jews, apart from Beta Israel. Most Christian denominations and traditions may accept the Books of Enoch as having some historical or theological interest, but they generally regard the Books of Enoch as noncanonical or noninspired. It is regarded as canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church, but not by any other Christian groups.

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The Book of Enoch is an ancient Jewish religious work, ascribed by tradition to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah. The older sections (mainly in the Book of the Watchers) of the text are estimated to date from about 300 BC.....

 

trevorw2539:

Your unproven claims about 2-3 different writers having written the book of Isaiah are familiar claims that I've heard elsewhere. Irrelevant, at that, since you are still not able to dispute the fact that Isaiah clearly gave a viewpoint description of how earth appears from outerspace. When did Isaiah do that? At a time in history when humans were earthbound. Again, notice below.

"There is One who is dwelling above the CIRCLE of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell," (Isaiah 40:22)

Now, suppose you deal with that. Explain how Isaiah could have known the above.

Alter2Ego

 

Then explain the different styles of writing. Of course it's irrelevant because it doesn't fit your beliefs. The idea of the world being a sphere first appeared in Greek Philosophy in the 6th century which covers the period when the book of Isaiah was written. A lot of science in the Bible was known when it was written starting in the 7th century. The Egyptians especially were quite prolific in simple medicines, knowledge of the body, etc. They even knew about cancer.

You've already had explanations given to you as to 'the circle of the earth', including a diagram which fits in well with Isaiah 40:20. 'Who spreads them out like a tent'. Ever been camping. A tent isn't a sphere. It's a dome.

 

trevorw2539:

We will deal with the claim that the prophet Isaiah did not write the entire book bearing his name as soon as you can explain how Isaiah even knew that the earth is a circle, when he clearly was not above the earth at the time he wrote the following:

"There is One who is dwelling above the CIRCLE of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell," (Isaiah 40:22)

Answer that, then we can debate the all too familiar claim that the book of Isaiah was written by different people.

Alter2Ego

 

The Hebrew word can mean circle or sphere. Read the rest of the verse. I've never seen a tent in the shape of a sphere. And I went camping for many years. It has a floor with a roof over if. Just as they believed in those days. Just as their dwellings ( tents ) were made.
Why don't people read the whole verse.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Isaiah

I don't believe in 'god-given' prophesy. I believe that there are men in history who can read the signs of the times. Isaiah could read the actions of Israel and see what would happen in their opposition agreement with other nations to oppose Assyria. He could see the folly of their ways, warned them, without result, and the inevitable happened.
Around 170 years later another writer saw the stupidity of Judah defying their masters - the Babylonians - and joining Egypt in a pact. They paid for it with Exile in Babylon.
Most prophecies were written at the time or as history. The book of 'Daniel', for instance, is not included in the prophetical books in Judaism but in the section called 'writings' Only Christians call it prophetic.
There's no evidence for anyone named Daniel and the story does not fit into the background into which it is placed. Too many inaccuracies. The second part concerns the period of the Maccabean rule and Antiochus Epiphanes. Only Christianity uses it as a future prophecy.
There have been men down history who have read the times and warned nations. In the UK we had Churchill who could see the rise of Hitler and read his actions in the 30's.. He warned the nation - and was ignored. And what happened?
I've been in a position where people have come to me for advice about matters. I've often been able to point out things they haven't considered and perhaps changed their minds. I'm no one special. I guess you can, or do,see problems in other people's plans when asked. .

 

When did Isaiah live? Sometime around 400-500 BC. Why would you think that the people living at that time did not know the earth was round. It was roughly around 200 years later that Erastosthenes (240 BC) actually measured the circumference of the Earth.

 

Do you know how to measure the circumference of the Earth? Have you ever done it yourself? If you have done it, how did you do it?

 

RE: THE BIBLE: God’s Word or Man’s?
⁜→ The Wyrd of Gawd, et al,

Well, certainly the Euclid of Alexandria (≈ 300 BC • Father of Geometry) but what gave Eratosthenes (with the Library of Alexandria) the opportunity to use the skill, was a chance geodesic phenomena observed in Egypt.

What allowed the development was a tool (geometry) and skill (computational) → coupled with the chance observation → making its way to someone that understood the implication of the observation in the meaning and was capable of applying the tools.

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POINT 1:

Many people had seen the phenomena of the refection in the well. But an extremely few in number had the understanding of its implication. Even fewer had the ability to put the information in a usable form, and even fewer still had the connections to get that information to the Library of Alexandria. ​

POINT 2:

For about 99% of the ≈ 400 Million people in the world population in 1 AD could have cared less as to the circumperence of the Planet let alone sit around and calculate it. One of my daughters is a graduate of the premiere private university in Ohio (Ohio Northern University in Ada). She has an Art Degree; and can tell you all about perspective, shadows and blind contour drawing, and I don't know what all else. I can tell you that she is capable of answering the question about what the circumference of the planet is and what a geographic stationary orbit is, and the kinds of things that it is very relevant to in her daily life. But to her, that king of knowledge is useless knowledge to her. A couple centuries BC, people just did not care what the implications were in a direct reflection of the Sun in the well really meant. It did not put food on the table.​

Almost everyone has seen the night sky. But it was not until the first half of the 20th Century before we Dr Erwin Hubble gave us a glimpse of the Universe and extragalactic objects. But to my youngest daughter, that has one of those Computer Nerd Degrees, could not care less about any thing beyond the orbit of the farthest geosynchronous satellites [22,236 miles (35,786 kilometers)].

Most Respectfully,
R

 

I know how its done - and how Erastosthenes did it. I have never done it myself but understand the math.

He did it by standing in a dry well in one city (City A) - while another person stood in a dry well of the same depth in another city (City B) hundreds of miles away. When the sun was directly over head in one city it will shine strait down the well - so no shadow. At the same time a measurement is taken in City B. Due to the curvature of the earth - the sun will not be shining straight down the well and you will see a mark on the wall where the sun hits. From this you can measure the angle. You divide the angle into 360 and multiply by the distance between the two cities which gives you the circumference of the circle.

Looked it up.... Turns out the distance Syrene and Alexandrea was 800 km. The angle measured was 7.2 degrees.

360/7.2 x 800 = 40,000 km. The actual circumference of the Earth is 40075 km.