Putin Tells Diplomats He Made Trump a New Offer on Ukraine at Their Summit

Grow up

 

How many of our US presidents have done the same thing over and over with NoKo and Russia, only to achieve the same result which is NOTHING? At least Trump is engaging them, piss on it if ya want.

 

Beta cuck.

 

Follow the money. Straight to Russia.

 

Just like France and the UK CRUSHED Germany in the 1920s with sanctions, right?

Actually, the USA can not crush Russia with sanctions at all due to the massive amount of resources Russia has - specifically natural gas.

The EU - and particularly Germany - has already told the USA "FU!" over the sanctions we demand they follow - which is a demand that they pay 30+% more for natural gas from the USA on behalf of Exxon, Mobile and the rest of the American fossil fuel industry.

 

With $100,000,000+ back to Bill and Hillary Clinton.

 

much of Russia would leave the country if they had a referendum to do so.

 

Look at who's sitting in the CnC chair...not the CnC.
Only two in the photo look like they know what's going on, The Air Force officer who's sitting in the CnC chair and the Sec of Defense, Robert Gates.
Everyone else look clueless.



Here we go

 

Lotta mouth breathers in the bottom photo.

 

I sure wish that President Trump would put Sheriff Joe in charge of ICE.

 

Probably couldn't pass the background check.

 

Obama killed that cat.

 

Did you read the article that went with the photo?

 

Putin made a proposal that can not be abandoned.

 

Trump gave you a few years without a nuclear war. But you are not happy. It's amazing.

 

There is no threat of a nuclear war. That is all in your mind.

Stop watching FOXNEWS. It's melting your mind,

 

Modern democratic civilized nations pay at least lip-service to the concept of self-determination.

If the Scots vote for independence, the rest of the UK will let them go.
If the Quebecois vote for independence, Canada will let them go.
If Puerto Rico votes for independence, they'll have it.
Norway was once part of Sweden. They were allowed to separate peacefully a century ago.
It's the only justification for Taiwan being a separate country -- at the moment, they don't want to be part of China.

A large part of the American population would actually like to give Californians their independence whether they want it or not.

So what's wrong with applying this principle in Ukraine?

The real problem is that Ukrainian-tilting Ukrainians, and Russian-tilting Ukrainians are interpenetrated -- much like the former Yugoslavia, which the West helped tear apart. If Kosovo, long a part of historic Serbia, can be turned over to its Albanian majority -- why not the Donbas?

If mass population transfers do occur as a result of Eastern Ukraine joining Russia, it will be a tragedy, but not one greater than those we've seen in Europe during the 20th Century. (Most people know nothing about the forced mass population transfers, and massacres, that occurred after WWI and WWII. They hadn't heard that 'diversity is strength'.)

Of course, if Mr Putin upholds the admirable principle of national self-determination in Ukraine -- as he upheld for the South Ossetians and Abkhazians (look them up) ... then the other North Caucasus Muslim republics might take note. But that will be his problem.

Crimea was always Russian and most people living there -- save the indigenous Tatars whom no one cares about -- are content with their new masters.

Of course, we don't like rewarding invasions and ethnic cleansing, but here Russia just joins Turkey, which invaded and divided Cyprus in 1973 -- everyone tut-tutted but the Turks were not expelled from NATO.

So I think the US and Europe should take him up on his offer.

 

Thanks for the like @Sallyally I'll leave you with a song.

 

Putin overwhelmed Ukraine. He couldn't do that with the US.

 

In any conflict, if you're smart, you'll try your best to understand your opponent. For propaganda purposes, you may portray him one way -- or in several contradictory ways [Russians are coldly logical sinister plotters planning to take over the world, Russians are incompetent drunkards, etc] but you yourself had better not believe your own propaganda, but should try to see things as they are.

With Russia, it's difficult, and always has been.

But here are two useful articles which seem to me to give us some insight into how Putin and his mates see the world, and in particular, how they see the US. The first, from NPR. The second, an article in The Atlantic.

 

Oh, you must have some classified intel that no one else has. Please do tell us all about it.

 

From your Atlantic link:

Over the past year, Russian hackers have become the stuff of legend in the United States. According to U.S. intelligence assessments and media investigations, they were responsible for breaching the servers of the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. They spread the information they filched through friendly outlets such as WikiLeaks, to devastating effect. With President Vladimir Putin’s blessing, they probed the voting infrastructure of various U.S. states. They quietly bought divisive ads and organized political events on Facebook, acting as the bellows in America’s raging culture wars.

Snip

Gleb Pavlovsky, a political consultant who helped Putin win his first presidential campaign, in 2000, and served as a Kremlin adviser until 2011, simply laughed when I asked him about Putin’s role in Donald Trump’s election. “We did an amazing job in the first decade of Putin’s rule of creating the illusion that Putin controls everything in Russia,” he said. “Now it’s just funny” how much Americans attribute to him.

A businessman who is high up in Putin’s United Russia party said over an espresso at a Moscow café: “You’re telling me that everything in Russia works as poorly as it does, except our hackers? Rosneft”—the state-owned oil giant—“doesn’t work well. Our health-care system doesn’t work well. Our education system doesn’t work well. And here, all of a sudden, are our hackers, and they’re amazing?”

 

When all branches of our intelligence agencies say it's so, I pay attention.

I suppose you trust Trump, a known liar and cheat. He ****ed a porn star shortly after his child was born.

C'mon man.

 

Oh, do tell me which branch said the election was hacked. I'll wait.

 

All of our intel agencies agree that Russia interfered. That's why Trump had to back-track.

"I meant to say would, could, can't, whatever the LOL"