Why Trump's Comments About Montenegro Were a Win for Vladimir Putin

Well Montenegro is a member of NATO so whatever our responsibilities are, that's what they are. If you don't feel like you have to, or should, live up to these agreements, drop out of NATO, or don't join the military. Otherwise uphold your end of the bargain. After all, you're either a man of your word, or you're not.

Alternatively, develop bone spurs.

 

You didn't answer my question, which...is kind of it's own answer: Are you a veteran? If you are not, you certainly don't have any business trying to "chickenhawk" someone who actually is a veteran. You're not making an argument, you're making an insult. And a particularly stupid one.

So again: Are you veteran?

Additionally, you also ignored the question, tell me that having Montenegro join NATO is worth any American child's life?

 

A) I didn't chickenhawk you. I used you to take a shot at Trump. After all, he's the one that's suddenly fascinated with Montenegro. And he's the one who dodged military service by claiming he had bone spurs.

B) I certainly did not ignore the question. This is what I said, "Well Montenegro is a member of NATO so whatever our responsibilities are, that's what they are. If you don't feel like you have to, or should, live up to these agreements, drop out of NATO, or don't join the military. Otherwise uphold your end of the bargain. After all, you're either a man of your word, or you're not."

C) As for am I a veteran? Well I don't see what difference that makes? But since you have this compulsion to know, yes I am, and I'm a combat veteran with 90% for multiple gunshot and shrapnel wounds, with a K award for loss of use of a limb.

 

Claiming you have bone spurs will not get you a deferment. It takes a examination by a doctor, usually an army doctor.

I appreciate your service. I am also a veteran of twenty years, but my service was a walk in the park compared to yours.

 

Thank you for your service also.

As for, "bone spurs will not get you a deferment". There was nothing wrong with me so I don't know how it worked if you had a doctors letter, or note, or whatever. Lets just say I'm suspicious of Trump.

 

There were many ways to avoid duty in the army in the jungles of Vietnam. Some fled to Canada. For those I have no respect whatsoever. Some got deferments by going to school and with other medical problems. I refuse to judge them. In some ways, I cannot blame them. I was in the Air Force long before the Vietnam war. Many joined the Air Force to avoid being drafted. It was a terrible useless war.

 

Yes it was a useless war. But you had to answer to yourself and there was no way I could have avoided service and looked in the mirror. So, knowing that I would have been drafted anyway, I volunteered in '66, and went over in '67.

 

The BLOTUS is betraying NATO, our nation and everyone who has ever fought and died to protect the Constitution.

He is the antithesis of what America is all about.

Mueller needs to get his thumb out and deliver that report ASAP.

 

I was in Vietnam in 1966 and 1967. I was almost kept out of the air force because of a spot on one of my lungs. I did not know I had a problem until I took the physical. It finally turned out to be a scar from hystoplasmosis which I did not know I had. Even now, sixty years later, I periodically have to get extra tests when the scar shows up an image.

In short, it is nearly impossible to judge whether someone's deferment was legitimate or not. I was almost kept out of the service because of a condition I didn't know I had. I have given up judging.

 

That's the best thing to do. However when someone takes a shot at a former POW who was tortured, and has paid for that his entire life, I loose the ability to take the high road. I know what it's like to pay physically for your service everyday of your life.

 

I am a conservative. I did not vote for Trump or Hilary because I did not think either should be president.

I like a lot of what Trump has done and dislike a lot. However, I consider the deferment to be a cheap shot. Stick with the real stuff and stay away from the phony stuff.

 

Yes, We Should Fight for Montenegro
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/montenegro-nato-alliance-preserves-european-peace/

 

We'll have to agree to disagree. When you have a suspicious deferment, and then take a shot at a POW with multiple disabilities, you're fair game. And I'm a Republican to.

 

Montenegro is a Mediterranean seaport which would greatly EXTEND the reach of Russia.

The whole reason that Putin annexed Crimea was because he didn't want to lose the seaport on the Black sea.

 

McCain is a different issue. I have nothing but respect for his naval service. However, I frequently disagree with him as a senator. Military service, heroic or not, does not automatically remove him from criticism for issues not related to his service.

 

Why Vladimir Putin Covets Montenegro
Vladimir Putin wants it and needs it much more than we do, badly enough to assassinate an elected head of state and instigate a regime-change. That’s precisely why he shouldn’t have it.
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/why-vladimir-putin-covets-montenegro

 

Crimea was once a part of Russia. Putin can make no such claim about Montenegro. There are lots of places on this earth with strategic value and I am sure Putin would like to acquire them. However, as bad as Putin is, I believe he is savvy enough to realize there are some things he can never get away with.

However, as I said earlier, Montenegro is part of NATO and we should be defending them large or small, important or not important.

 

We aren't going to agree on this. Remember, Trumps shot at him was service related.

 

I understand why you folks keep pretending the majority of Americans are with Don.........but they just aren't. What the majority gets is he is a con man. A former reality TV star who declared multiple bankruptcies and had to resort to getting financing from Russia and setting up a fraudulent real estate "university" to keep from selling pencils on a street corner.

 

And that is where I make the distinction. McCain's naval service is a separate issue from his service in the senate. However, that has nothing to do with Trumps deferment which may or may not have been legitimate. Just stick with what we know rather than just automatically saying his deferment was illegitimate.

 

Yeah, I mean look at all the 9/11 level attacks Al Qaeda is pulling off in Europe every week.

 

You really think the war in Afghanistan really made the Europe safer from Islamic terrorism? How so?

 

It removed the threat of Al Qaeda, the group that attacked America and carried out the largest terrorist attack in history.

 

Which was accomplished through intelligence and a commando raid. Not an invasion force. And not that it really removed the threat. Al Qaeda is active in many places.

And there is still a war in Afghanistan. What is the goal of that war?