Much MUCH More Obamacare TRUTH

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  1. Mr_Truth

    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it is true ~ preventive medicine is always best.
     
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    Government has a role in assuring the protection of us all in what is provided for sale/consumption in the market place. It ends there. If I want health care, it is available and I should be free to consume what is provided by the market as I find necessary within the means I have available. Clear now?
     
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    That exists in Europe in the form of the National Health Service (NHS).

    For instance, people in France know that they can go to "their doctor" and for about $25 (in euros) who will have a series of tests done to identify the problem. From those investigations, they will either be operated upon or not. Regardless, it is the NHS that sets the cost of all medical exams and operational practices*.

    Of course, if anyone wants to see at truly private doctor (who does not subscribe to the National Health Service) they can do so. But the costs of services rendered will be reimbursed only up to amounts authorized by the NHS for its doctors.

    What the above means is that people subscribing to the NHS go readily to see a doctor before any supposed illness becomes serious because the cost to them will be reimbursed by the NHS ...

    *General Practitioners in France earn an average of 120K euros a year, whereas a GP in the US earns about $210K. (Today, the euro is at $1.16)
     
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    Why should anyone not want it if healthcare was from a National Health Service and your taxes pay for it anyway, but you don't directly?

    Because, that is what you are doing today in the US by having a DoD that eats half the Discretionary Budget instead of rendering you healthcare services free, gratis and for nothing ...
     
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    Let's put an end to the gun control issue, disband the military, and distribute all weaponry to the States, local governments, and individual citizens for use if/when needed and then we could afford government provided health care AND start paying down our debt.
     
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    We continue to pay for Israel's health care as well as that of the Fortune 500 employees and police/pols. There is no reason why the poor shouldn't get any coverage while these privileged people get theirs for free at taxpayer expense.
     
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    First make the wealthy elites pay back all the welfare they have gotten and put an end to all foreign tax shelters.

    Then we can make other reforms.
     
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    All for medicare for all as I have many times explained. Health care will never be free! Those that owe any amount of federal income tax or have a job, and employers will be paying for it.
     
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    Will Medicare be all inclusive or just hospitalization?
     
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    The TRUTH about Trump's Republican death panels:


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    Assuming this is true, those of you who love Republican death panels got your wish.
     
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    New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years [View all]



    'Easy to Pay for Something That Costs Less': New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years

    From the article:

    Confronting the question most commonly asked of the growing number of Americans who support replacing America's uniquely inefficient and immoral for-profit healthcare system with Medicare for All—"How do we pay for it?"—a new paper released Friday by researchers at the Political Economy Research Institute (PERI) shows that financing a single-payer system would actually be quite simple, given that it would cost significantly less than the status quo.
    "It's easy to pay for something that costs less," Robert Pollin, economics professor at the University of Massachusetts Amherst and lead author of the new analysis, declared during a panel discussion at The Sanders Institute Gathering in Burlingon, Vermont, where Pollin unveiled the paper for the first time.


    To read more:

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...ws-medicare-all-would-save-us-51-trillion?cd-








    more coverage means more lives saved - this is what all patriots want unlike those of the far right who value profits before people
     
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    Minnesota AG fights to have prescription costs reduced:


    https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019...-keith-ellison-goes-after-drug-manufacturers/


    Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison wants to lower the price of prescription drugs, and he is hoping a new citizens task force will help make that happen.

    Ellison was at the Capitol Thursday sharing stories of Minnesotans who have had to ration or skip drugs because they couldn’t afford them.

    Nicole Smith-Holt has been an outspoken advocate for lower prescription drug prices after her 26-year-old son Alec died in 2017 after rationing his insulin.

    “The only reason that Alec was rationing his medication was that the price over the last 20 years has risen over 1,200 percent,” Smith-Holt said. “The price of my son’s life was $1,300 a month for insulin and supplies.”




    Watch Mrs Holt's brief speech in the video. Imagine your child dying because Republican death panels caused his death.
     
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    Aww **** here I come along going to ruin the "I love Obamacare" party by calling the facts police because some of you are making too much noise. I sell health insurance for a living, I keep files on everything. I looked back at rate sheets from 2002, 2011, and 2018. Be careful if you are a liberal because you won't like these facts. 80210 Denver CO zip code. ( I even have some rates for 2002 and 2011 that are lower than the ones I show below, but I used a middle of the road carrier)

    2002 Male age 55 PPO, Deductible $1000 80% coinsurance out of pocket total $2500, Rx 10/20/40
    Rate $222.86
    2011 Male age 55 PPO, Deductible $1500 70% coinsurance out of pocket $3000 , Rx 15/40/60
    Rate $307.40 Increase in 9 years +38%
    2018 Male age 55 HMO (PPO not available) Deductible $4500 60% coinsurance out of pocket $7350, Rx $500 Ded, 20/50/$325 copay.
    Rate $887.50 Increase in 7 years 288% Increase from 2002 400%, Out of pocket cost increase 300%.

    Damn its a good thing democrats put the word affordable in this thing. Yes indeed what a resounding success. We really should elect more democrats to make our lives better, here's the proof. Oh, wait, sorry I forgot I voted for Trump so I must be a liar. Pardon me.
     
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    Hmmmm ~ that means that from 2002 to 2009 before Obamacare, during those years 360,000 American needlessly died (45,000 x roughly 8 years) because Republican death panels decided that it is better for poor Americans to die than it is for investing tax dollars to save their lives.

    Right wingers sure love to see Americans die.
     
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    Really? That's your retort? No comment on the cost increases and the coverage decreases caused by Obamacare. Told you liberals would not like the facts. Facts have never ever ever been the friend of a democrat.

    How many people no longer have health insurance because they make too much money to get a subsidy but don't make enough to afford insurance? According to democrats the answer is none, everyone has insurance, according to Republicans the answer is probably 80 million, so somewhere in between is your answer. So perhaps 40 million people used to have insurance but now don't due to Obamacare, so I suppose Obamacare is now the new death panel.

    How exactly can I get on that Republican death panel, sounds like a fun rewarding job.
     
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    Correction - coverage INCREASES and cost decreases by Obamacare.

    45,000 dead Americans every year due to Republicon no care is a cost in blood that constitutes genocide. Of course, that's to your delight as it is for all right wingers. But we patriots want to save lives unlike you people.
     
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    Gallup reports that the US uninsured rate rises to 4 year high with 7 million more now uncovered thanks to Trump and his Republican death panels.
     
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    Republicans have a history of recessions and not being able to govern. What’s changed ? They’re the “do nothing” Party.
     
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    The party of death panels, wars, recessions/depressions. All the while they claim to be the party of family and moral values. :lol:
     
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    They remind me of the present but absentee worker. He comes in morning, does nothing but complain, collects his paycheck and leaves. He does use the company car and complains when he doesn’t get his check or Christmas’s bonus in time. He’s a stickler r for company rules but only when it benifts him...yet, he boast being the “the best “worker in the plant. If anyone complains about his poor performance, he yells “discrimination” and is the biggest “cry baby” of them all. He’s often just a relative of the boss...
     
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    Not quite true. They are the " do nothing party" for the poor and middle class and the " do everything" party for the rich.
     
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    True...
    They do bend over “forward” for the rich. Ryan gets a half a million just after the tax bill was signed from one source. Who knows what he actually got except to say, he retired as a political with the rich throwing money at him as he walked out the door.

    https://politicaldig.com/busted-pau...om-koch-brothers-after-house-passed-tax-bill/
     

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