Iran Is Ripe for Regime Change

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  1. Margot2

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    BP didn't want to pay the same oil revenue share that everyone else was paying.. They wanted to keep it at 13%.
     
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    Saying "where was ..." is not a response.

    You need to say what YOU wanted him to do.

    So, what did you want him to do?
    I don't see ANYTHING that the Trump DoS can claim.

    China was a nothing.
    NKorea was nothing, with the trade war pushing China to work AGAINST us.
    Trade deals - big fat nothing.
    NATO - nothing buy whining about others not buying more arms that WE think are necessary but they apparently do not.
    Our troops dying in Africa for reasons and in places that Americans haven't even heard about.
    Russia getting a total pass on attacking our democracy - with ZERO being done in defense of our nation!!!

    You have to have serious credibility before you can tout someone while providing ZERO evidence.
     
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    Wow, I agree completely.
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    May I point out that the Civil War in Syria by Barack Obama in alliance with Qatar, Turkey and Saudi Arabia in 2011 resulted in Russia's involvement is all about stopping an oil/gas pipe to Europe. Assad was against the pipeline and certainly Putin doesn't want it, because it will break his stranglehold on Europe in general. Similarly that is why Trump has excoriated Merkel in public about the recent admission of a pipeline from Russia.

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    Syrian war explainer: Is it all about a gas pipeline?
    https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/is-the-fight-over-a-gas...
    2 Dec 2015 -- The proposed gas pipeline from Qatar via Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and Turkey to Europe. Source:Supplied In the meantime Iran, which owns the other smaller, share of the Persian Gulf gas field, decided to lodge its own rival plan for a $10 billion pipeline to Europe via Iraq and Syria and then under the Mediterranean Sea.
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    Syria Is Another Pipeline War | Washington's Blog
    http://washingtonsblog.com/2016/10/62769.html
    Oct 2016 -- Proposed pipeline routes through the Middle East to gas markets in Europe. The purple line is the Western-supported Qatar-Turkey pipeline. All of the nations it passes through — Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey (all highlighted in red) — have agreed to it … except Syria. The red line is the …
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    Fuel, pipelines and Syria: Whose regime needs changing?
    http://www.times-standard.com/article/NJ/20170321/LOCAL1/170329984
    The Syrian war is a regime-change proxy war initiated, funded and armed by the U.S., UK, NATO and our Mideast alliesTurkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Qatar. It’s about regional dominance, imperialism, control of oil and gas and who gets to supply Europe.
     
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    Democrats like any individual, ideology, or regime that gives the U.S. a hard time.

    Iran has been a thorn in our side for 40 years, resulting in a flow of love from libs to the mullahs.
     
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    Why aren't we helping the Russians to stand up against their corrupt kleptocratic government. Those people have suffered under Communism for almost 100 years, then after a short break where there was some hope, they have a corrupt, murderous dictator who kills his opposition in the press and in politics. Instead of sucking up to a guy Like Putin, who is also helping to prop up Iran's religious whacko government we should hold his feet to the fire and give him incentive to stop his miserable human rights abuses and support for terrorists. Trump should also consider a "Russian Ban" on immigration as it appears that Russian spies are pouring over our borders disguised as students and infesting our government officials and organizations like the NRA...
     
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    BS. Until 18 months ago, 80% of Americans in both political parties supported detente' with Russia - most of all Obama and the Clintons. The majority of Russians in fact support Putin.

    Your warmongering chanting is just that, warmongering on behalf of those who profit in money and power from warmongering - nothing else.
     
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    I stopped reading after that sentence --- too much laughter for me.
     
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    Saudi Arabia and Qatar have NEVER been allies.

    Saudi Arabia doesn't need a transit pipeline thru Syria... They have the East-West pipeline..

    And, KSA went thru the pipeline thru Syria disaster way back in the 1970s.

    It was NEVER about a pipeline thru Syria from South Pars.. Iran and Russia didn't want that.

    Basically, you are batting zero.
     
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    Not war mongering, just not sucking up to guys like Putin. Reagan dealt with the Russians, but he didn't act like their lapdog as Trump did last week. The majority of Russians read only the government line in Russia. Reporters are scared to death to write anything negative about Putin lest they end up dead or in a gulag just like it was when Putin was being trained as a lying scumbag by the KGB....Spots on the Leopard...East German KGB section Chief...
     
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    You just make stuff up.
     
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    Iran must me dumb. The democrats handed them the bomb with all the phony sanctions that they put on them.
     
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    Why do you lie? According to the 2014 agreement, my country Germany should have 2% military budget in 2024. Last time i checked we dont have 2024.

    Also if Germany rises its military spending to 2% of our GDP we would get the 2nd strongest military in the world.

    What for? You think the UK and France will be ok with us not just be the economic super power of Europe but also the military one?
     
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    Then I suggest you debate that with the sources I've provided.
     
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    Your sources are crap.. They don't even have a rudimentary understanding of the ME and the various players involved.
     
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    No wonder you don't know what's going on.
     
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    And why wouldn't it be good to be the wealthiest and strongest country in Europe as part of NATO?
    As far as the UK is concerned , they are stepping back from the European Union.
    On the other hand why has Merkel sided with Putin to bring the fuel line to Germany and be blackmailed by Putin in the Future.
     
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    Personnaly, I renounced to understand. Anyway shia and sunni muslims are fighting since the beginning of Islam. The best from my point of view is 0 intervention and refuse all the "refugees" of this region.
     
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    TDS. won't you help us find a cure? for only 17 cents a day you can help sufferers lead somewhat normal lives. Your donation will include two wallet-sized photographs of your beneficiary, a biannual "Cheer Up" card (mailed a week before their birthday and a week after election day), and a small porcelain figurine of Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America, dressed in his signature blue (or black...check for availability) suit and extra long red tie.

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    Then certainly you should be contacting the sources you complain about and school them in the supposed facts you espouse.

    The 'Pipelineistan' conspiracy: The war in Syria has never …
    http://www.middleeasteye.net/essays...y-why-war-syria-was-never-about-gas-144022537
    The first pipeline is allegedly backed by the US and runs from Qatar through Saudi Arabia and Jordan to Syria. The second is a supposedly Russia-backed pipeline that goes from Iran, via Iraq, to Syria.
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    Syrian War: ‘Nothing to Do With Daesh, It is Energy Battle …
    http://www.inspiretochangeworld.com/2016/09/syrian-war-nothing-daesh-energy-battle-future-pipelines/
    2016 -- The reports also suggest that the US had plans to build a new pipeline from the Persian Gulf to northern Iraq and further to Turkey through northern Syria. Thus, it planned to supply Iraqi oil through Turkey and northern Syria further to the West, namely to the European energy market.
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    It’s All About Gas? US Hawks Plan to Transform Syria Into ‘Another Libya’
    http://www.inspiretochangeworld.com...s-plan-to-transform-syria-into-another-libya/
    26 Oct 2015 -- Washington’s ultimate goal in Syria is to transform the country into another failed state, US author Eric Zuesse believes, adding that it’s all about oil and gas routes in the Middle East.
    In mid-October American journalist Brandon Turbeville pointed to a peculiar fact: while Russia was attacking ISIL and al-Qaeda targets in Syria, US military forces “launched a bombing mission of its own against two power plants Aleppo.”
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    Why Syria? An Examination of the Iran-Iraq-Syria Pipeline ...
    https://followthemoney.com/whysyria
    The major players of this Western approved pipeline include Saudi Arabia and Qatar, among other Gulf nations. Syrian President Assad’s mistake was to reject the Arab Gas Pipeline in preference the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline, also dubbed ‘The Islamic Pipeline.’ This proposed pipeline would obviously compete directly with the Arab Gas ...
     
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    Once anyone ignores the content of a post and mentions deep state or TDS it is obvious that we are dealing with some of those "poorly educated" that Trump bragged about being a good part of his followers. Try actually having some thoughts of your own instead of simply parroting idiotic phrases.
     
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    Ask UK and France if they are fine with us dominating then in evry sector. You think USA would side with us and calm them down?

    Merkel wants cheapest fuel for germans possible. Putin made the best offer.
     
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    Assad did not start bombing his civilians due to a pipeline possibility. You're just seriously mixed up on that.

    As for what DID start the civil war in Syria, it had far more to do with the civil war Bush started in Iraq, the agricultural disaster of the exceptionally long drought (motivating people to move from farms into the cities), the government response that was focused on repression of the desperate civilian population, and the motivation that repression caused for those interested in revolution - including both locals and the radicalized AQ/ISIS groups.

    Suggesting the revolutionaries/ISIS were motivated by some pipeline deal is nonsense.


    Also, please remember that people such as John McCain were IRATE that Obama was NOT shipping arms and otherwise supporting the revolutionaries.

    Bush put Syria on the "regime change" list in 2000 or 2001 when Assad came to power and demonstrated his direction of repressive dictatorship. That didn't happen due to some pipeline deal. And, the fact is that neither Bush nor Obama put in any real effort to either promote or quell the revolution in Syria. We got involved because of ISIS, yet we were not interested in supporting Assad. That produced a bind, as the revolutionaries and terrorist groups intermingled, so that aid we gave revolutionaries was often traded by revolutionaries to ISIS - which we opposed, of course.

    Now, we have both Russia and Iran (with its religious compatibility) supporting Assad - the criminal dictator we opposed for most of the last couple decades.

    That did NOT come from Obama or Bush supporting Assad. And, Russia may be involved because of wanting access to the Mediterranean, but there is no chance the revolutionaries OR terrorists in Syria were fighting over a pipeline. They were fighting for survival.
     
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    only 17 cents a day....
     
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    And Surely by making this deal Merkel has allowed herself and her country to be threatened and bullied by Russia in the future. Just as Putin has done previously. Germany is a crucial part of NATO, should hostilities break out in the future in Europe with a belligerent Russian Federation led by Putin or those that follow, how will Germany be able to access enough energy to maintain their status, economy and keep her people warm if Russia shuts down access to fuel?
     
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