How many members would like a firearms discussion area

sorry, but it is a mathematical fact of reality that Clinton received millions more votes than trump did. That is in no way debatable. The American people chose Clinton. The EC selected trump.

again, it is a mathematical fact of reality that Clinton received millions more votes than trump did.

 

Then explain why the founding fathers were the ones who set up the electoral college system that is in place, and for what reason such was even bothered with, if majority vote is all that matters.

 

Don't care in the slightest. It's a moronic system in 2018, and resulted in a bafoon the American people explicitly rejected now holding the office.

 

That's not how you get elected president in the US and everyone knows this. Clinton knew she had to get more electoral votes than Trump. Why are we still talking about this?

 

Then do not comment further on the matter.

 

Actually it's more important now than ever, especially as the population consolidates itself into urban enclaves more and more dependent upon government. And yes, it did result in the election of a buffoon.

See Article V on how to change it.

 

Isn't this supposed to be a firearms discussion area?

I have a question for anyone interested:

Which is considered as the more accurate .223 / 5.56 bullet weight coming from a 18" barrel?

 

I never claimed it was.

 

I will comment anywhere I please. The only reason I bring up the fact she received millions of more votes, is when brain dead trumpeteers claim the American people chose him.

 

I know how to change it. My point is it is fatally flawed and entirely irrelevant in the 21st century. It isn’t a travesty to a free democratic election for someone the people voted AGAINST to be holding the office.

 

Over what range? I've got some Hornady 53 gr VMAX handloads that are phenomenally accurate at 100 yards but for 500 yds plus the popular bullets are the Sierra Match King or the Nosler BTJO, both in 77 grain. The latter two are typically the longest 224 caliber bullet to fit in a standard magazine.

 

Depends on a number of factors, chief among them the twist rate for the weight/length/velocity combination of the bullet, but there are other factors.
Google for that. What upper and whose barrel? What is the twist rate of your barrel or is this a general question? It the barrel in question light or heavy. Are we talking first shot, or a hot barrel? Is your gun set up to shoot both .223 and 5.56 or one or the other (they are not necessarily interchangeable depending on the gun and the chambering... it can be be potentially dangereous to shoot 5.56 in a gun only rated for .223 due to different pressures generated).

 

What is debatable is your ludicrous assertion the American people chose Clinton. What is a "mathematical fact of reality" is that millions more people than voted for her either voted against her or chose not to vote at all. In other words, the American people chose "None of the Above."

That is your OPINION; nothing more.

Again, we are not a democracy, and this is by design. The blame for Donald Trump's election lies with the corrupt political parties that put up two atrocious candidates for the American people to pick from, NOT the Electoral College.

 

No, that is in no way debatable. It is a mathematical fact.

Nope. The EC is who selected trump.

 

Haha.
Bet your asteroid you voted for Trump and will again if he’s not in jail. The idea there is a moral equivalence between Hillary and Trump to rationalize you supporting Trump, is even more Rediculous. You'd support Putin if he allowed you to sell guns to criminals. Come to think of it, it’s his money that went to the NRA to promote sales of guns to felons here in the US. You do know they have very strict gun laws in Russia. Maybe you don’t.

 

Sounds like we’re getting pretty close to your actual opinions then the made up tripe you’re peddling. You sound like a libertarian who all follow republicans around like sheep while pretending they are better then they are, or are too embarrassed say to they are republicans.
Republicans have been in the business of denying voting rights to minorities for years now. If you vote for republicans, you support there efforts in that area and support recessions.

 

voters who choose not to vote don't get a choice, as in their choice does not count.

Hillary won more votes than anyone else.

 

So what? To win the election, you had to have a strategy to win in the electoral college process. The Trump campaign, regardless of anyone’s feelings on him, played that strategy well and Hillary’s team didn’t because they expected to win both the popular vote and in the electoral college; losing was in conceivable. What can never be known is how the Trump team would have altered their campaign strategy if the election process was changed to be that of a popular vote. You assume the popular vote would have yielded the same results at the polls. You remind me of playing monopoly or chess with my girls when they were young... they wanted to alter the rules to their favor to win. If only... Hillary and much of the mainstream media are still wondering what happened and TSD grows everyday.
Hillary’s team know the game, chose to adopt a losing strategy... not a great quality for a leader that plays with in world of Machiavellian strategists. But then,
Few people really understand why the Electoral College was conceived, but it was in part conceived as a means of helping to prevent a tyranny of the majority concentrated in cities that didn’t represent most of the then rural America. If I, an Irish Ex Pat Irish and now American Citizen have to explain that to you it would appear your education system failed you.
But then, the Dems, and some never Trumpers in the GOP, are hoping to derail the Trump presidency and delegitimize the election by any means necessary..... surprised the Trump opposition hasn’t called for nullifying the election by calling for the eradication of the electoral college and making the popular vote rules retroactive.

 

FACT: one can win the Presidency by just winning 11 states.

that's right, you win the 11 biggest population states, you win the election.

 

So Hillary should have been savvy enough to focus her campaign beyond California in Texas, New York, Florida, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Georgia, North Carolina and New Jersey, but some of these states, bastians of the Dem, didn’t fall her way. Face it; she lost and that is a fact, one she blames on everyone but herself. I am not particularly a Trump fan, but definitely anti Hillary. But, I hope she runs again in 2020 and continues to deliver her message on firearms ownership.

 

Very strict gun laws and higher homicide and suicide rates in Russian than in the US.

PS, we're not allowed to sell guns to criminals.

 

Yes, I would like a firearms discussion area. Gun control is not a civil right, but the right to keep and bear arms is.

 

Oh, I guess criminals are truthful and tell you their real name and background. Maybe you have Zen Buddha capabilities and can read their mind. Funny, FFL dealers aren’t required to go to school for Zen Budda training. The just have a background check done. Your reasoning is a simpleton, trite and NRA fallacy talking point. It assumes everyone is as uninformed as you.

 

You believe the stats coming out of Russia ? No wonder you voted for Trump.

 

Thanks, I should have been more specific but I was just interested in what was considered to be the more accurate brand & weight commercial ammunition for casual target shooting at 100 yards in a modest S&W M&P 15 with a 16" barrel & 1 - 9" twist that is rated for 5.56.
I used to reload 5.56 but no longer do so.
I appreciate your responding.