Capitalism and the Natural Order is under Assault by Society’s Worst Elements

Lol. Amazing, everything you said here is wrong. Seriously. Every single fallacy you listed here is wrong. I've don't know that I've ever seen that before (particularly in a post where you are trying to be intellectual - I mean there are posters who celebrate their anti-intellectualism, that's to be expected, but here?). And on top of it, you think Kyklos and I are the same poster. I'll take that as a compliment. I can't remember the last time I've laughed this hard at a post (how much time did you put in writing this anyway?)

In your defense, you got one thing right - readers interested in understanding logical fallacies should definitely not rely on your explanations; however, if they are interested in seeing examples of logical fallacies, I can't think of a better source.

 

"...you think Kyklos and I are the same poster. "

LOL! Hey, I came out on top with that comment! Thanks for the compliment!!!

 

Lol. I think that Sanskrit is a bit flummoxed at this point.

 

What an amazing tour de force of bullshit.

It amounts to using even more logical fallacies to counter the logical fallacies your prior posts are laden with.

who knew there was such a thing as circular critical thinking?

 

I must of had Sanskrit on "ignore" and never saw the comment. A backhanded compliment by him, but I'll take it!!!

Flummoxed in this case is a pre-existing condition.

 

Ah, so you professed ignorance earlier in the thread, got called out for your hateful bigotry, no different than that engaged in by the goose steppers and KKK you base your empty virtue signaling on, in print for all to see by me, didn't like that, and now you are Wittgenstein. I see.

You remain out of your depth on the logical fallacy front, but do keep pontificating. It's amusing.

 

The lie is yours. Research this: https://twitter.com/VelshiRuhle/status/1001525895914577920

 

You and you/kyklos have derailed the thread from the start by calling fallacies that aren't there inanely... an activity which is itself, ironically, fallacious red herring, among others. Every -single- example of fallacy I identified in your initial post is 100% accurate, and I explained how in detail. Don't like that? Tough.

To reiterate some key points. Stating an unfavorable opinion or making a claim of fact, as OP did, in and of itself, even an insulting one, is almost never ad hominem, poisoning the well, or fallacious epithets. Responding to such opinions or claims of fact by calling fallacies inaccurately, though, -is- fallacious. You and you/kyklos have done that many times in this thread, to such an extent that it bogged the thread down into junk.

In addition to being potentially fallacious itself, fallacy-labeling (it's really a form of shaming attempt, also fallacious) when there is no fallacy (or even where there is) is pretentious, pseudo-intellectual pedantry. Going off on obvious, stilted, unwarranted, windy tangents is also pretentious, pseudo-intellectual pedantry. BTW, those aren't formal or even informal arguments, but my opinions of your posts. I feel I need to clarify, because it's plain you don't understand the difference between an opinion, a claim of fact and an actual formal or informal argument.

Not fallacy: "Progressives are devious."

Fallacy: "Your claim that progressives are devious is an example of ad hominem, poisoning the well, epithets, etc."

You are -precisely- that which you decry. Bravo.

I will give on one point though, because august dictionary.com has an alternate definition of "schizophrenic" I'll modify my opinion of your fallacious use of that word as follows:

"Though use of the term 'schizophrenic' is pretentious and affected when describing matters not related to that mental disease, and is fallacious when using it negatively to describe a claim one does not agree with due to its negative connotations, it is not technically incorrect because an internet dictionary lists 'inconsistent' as a secondary definition of the word."

As far as other things in the thread go, to reiterate, if you want to make a thread on the vagaries of Nietzsche's thought, make it, this thread was never that, contained only a passing reference to Nietzsche. If you want to make a thread claiming that Odysseus was celebrated for his "deviousness and cunning" as opposed to his courage, resourcefulness and persistence, make that one. If you want to make a thread to debate the claim of whether or not the -defining-, primary characteristic of the Greek notion of "excellence" is "moderation," PLEASE do so (it will be a layup... for me).

Finally, I did spend more time than anticipated identifying all the fallacies in your initial post, there were so many after all. I won't be wasting similar amounts of time on you or you/kyklos going forward.

 

Nonresponsive. Calling the broad Trump tax reform "business tax cuts" is a purposeful lie of omission.

 

That's what it is. Crumbs went to just 6% of workers. Most of the benefit went to businesses and they are using it mostly for executive pay, bonuses, and business profits.

 

None of the above is remotely accurate. Get honest. Or do what you will likely do and link to a bunch of LW blogs and LW MSM without any commentary. The Trump tax reform benefitted near 100% of U.S. taxpayers including individual taxpayers and the 30,000,000 business entities in the country, .002% of which are large public companies. Any false characterization of a massive, omnibus tax code reform as "business tax cuts" is a flagrant lie of omission.

 

hahahaha!

hit a nerve did I?

I do admit to the limits of my knowledge, without shame or embarrassment.

I do admit to being a bigot, without shame or embarrassment. And it is substantively different bigotry than the subjects of my bigotries.

As to virtue signaling - doublethink seems to be a particular talent of yours.

But I do get your projection on logical fallacies as the evidence of your knowledge of same is there for all to see in the numerous stupid incorrect attributions to them in your responses.

If nothing else you are predictable.

 

Many senior execs have comp packages that include "stock performance" bonuses. Which is why there is a record amount of stock buy backs happening. (doesn't matter how the stock price increased, only that it did).

But don't tell anyone, they may think the tax cuts were all about the middle class.

(although the foreign tax repatriation stuff to come into line with the rest of the industrialized world was a good thing).

 

Do keep up the good fight of crusading against all the many evil "goose steppers" out there... somewhere. It makes you such a good, righteous person, doesn't it?

Yours, not others', is the hand that knots the noose. You've made that abundantly clear. If there is any value in this thread, it's in showing you for exactly what you are.

 

Lol. You should've stopped three posts ago. You're just making it worse.

 

Thanks for the block quote!

So, how's that thread on "the devious, cunning" Odysseus and the Greek cultural conception of excellence as defined chiefly by "moderation" coming along? How bout the one on Nietzschean ethics?

Yeah.

 

I've already made the argument(s). However, if you are looking to study up on both topics and how they relate, here you go:



Cheers.

 

Marxists and a Marxist/scholastic, not surprised. No thanks, I'm currently going through my National Lampoon collection from the 70s, so am full up on that kind of reading at the moment. Will stick to actual philosophers when I get around to reading more of that. Do you ever read anything -not- the product of a totally failed, universally discredited school of thought? Just asking. Before you start fallacy-hollering at that, I'm not the one who posted book covers.

And I take it that's a "no" on the "devious, cunning" Odysseus and "moderation" as the linchpin of Greek excellence thread. Oh well.

 

Extraordinary. You're fallacy-policing yourself now. You know they're fallacies, but you just can't help yourself can you? So you call them out ahead of time. Lol. You know what's the best thing about your post, your call-out is itself another fallacy!

Now that I think about it, and with all due respect to the thread author, I think you may well be the most masterful troll I have ever seen. But you tipped your hand with this last post, no one is that oblivious.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetn...o-the-1-and-sharp-kick-to-upper-middle-class/

 

Your the best Jonsa!

 

Hey thought I'd drop in here a minute, thing have been really busy lately so I don't like to engage in too much Internet Knife Fighting - it's just not productive for people who actually produce. I.e. not people who sit on their couch all day and essentially blow - speaking to you Jonsa - don't hamster your feelings away on this.

edit: In the interests of not getting banned...it was something along the lines of Jonsa having a handler who wipes his bottom for him (and finds his internet knife fighting antics very amusing I'm sure). Here's a relevant video clip to Jonsa, just substitute World of Warcraft for an Internet Forum:

 

OOOOHHHHHH!

With your obvious fascination with other people's bowel movements, I can only imagine what you "produce".

I am also not surprised that you conflate intellectual knife fight with internet knife fight, regardless of your feeble attempt to start one.

And lastly, I am RETIRED and I have a hobby that enables me to keep intellectually sharp while expanding my knowledge base and indulging in my guilty pleasure of confronting the subjects of my bigotries.

Hope you can come back soon.

 

I will keep confronting the subjects of my bigotry and no it doesn't make me "good and righteous", it just makes me a guy with a well thought out intellectual rationale for his hobby of confronting radical racist right wing fascist scumbags (commies and religious fanatics also).

Now if we were talking about pedophiles, I would gladly knot the noose.

And as to showing exactly what I am, gee considering that I make no secret of who I am and what I believe, I'm not surprised you were able cipher it out your own self. Very impressive.

 

What you need to confront is brainwashing which has resulted in the convenient paranoia and self-deception, made clear in this thread, that people who disagree with you politically are "radical racist right wing fascist scumbags."