Guns & Stand Your Ground victory. Got a problem with that? video included.

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Moi621, Jul 20, 2018.

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Do YOU support this Stand Your Ground example of lethal gun defense?

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  1. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

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    Next time a Trump supporter manhandles a protestor at a rally, you would support that Trump supporter being killed by the protestor in “self-defense” yes?
     
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    How many videos of Trump supporters assaulting protestors at rallies would you like? Should they all have been killed in “self-defense”?
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Show me any...Ill gleefully watch.
     
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    And you would gleefully watch those same Trump supporters being gunned down?
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah Im all for the constitution. You dont have a right to assault people if you do, dont cry when you get shot. Now show me the video of a trump supporter assaulting a leftist. show me a few actually.
     
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    Without a doubt the guy who was killed was 100% wrong for assaulting an elderly man. I said as much earlier even referring to the guy as a bully.
    Many on here keep saying how the shooter is old and handicapped and therefore feared for his life. But here’s the thing people seem to be glossing over. My mother, while not handicapped, is old and couldn’t defend herself if need be. So, you know what she doesn’t do? You guessed it...she doesn’t go around yelling at strangers in parking lots.
    My in-laws, while not handicapped, are old and hobbled and couldn’t defend themselves. Know what they don’t do? They don’t go around yelling at strangers in parking lots.
    So here is this old handicapped guy going around yelling at younger people in parking lots. Oh and wouldn’t you know he happens to have a gun and knows the ‘stand your ground’ laws inside and out. Seems to me he was looking for a confrontation. Why else would an OLD HANDICAPPED man be confronting people in an aggressive manor?
     
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    Yes it is. You should never have to suffer bodily damage by anyone else. That guy who pushed him thought he was tough and king, and got him shot.

    The lesson?? Don't assault anyone. You may not like the price you pay.
     
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    You are not understanding. You have a right to peacefully confront others for any reason. You do NOT have the right to assault others violently. He didn't give him a light push, he ambushed the old man and gave him enough of a shove to do great bodily harm. I find his "self defense" case correctly applied.
    Don't want to get shot, do NOT assault other people, especially by ambush.
    He was a coward who assaulted an older man. He got what he deserved, and a warning to others who think it is ok to assault others.
     
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    Nope I support the constitution. Im an American. No one has the right to assault anyone. Also murder is a legal term, please be smarter when talking to me and use the correct words. Shooting someone who is assaulting you is not murder.
     
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    The assault was over when the guy was shot. Shooting someone who did assault you is murder.
     
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    I have not seen this possibility anywhere in the media. One possible scenario: Drejka is confronting a woman about a handicap parking space when out of the blue he finds himself on his ass in the parking lot. He has made the decision to end the assault with his firearm as he is presenting it, he pulls the trigger nothing happens (the safety is still on) he focuses on the firearm and getting the safety off, as soon as he does he fires.

    I am VERY interested in the firearm Drejka used. I have not seen it reported anywhere in the media.
     
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    What part of "Without a doubt the guy who was killed was 100% wrong for assaulting an elderly man. I said as much earlier even referring to the guy as a bully." did you NOT get?
     
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    So you are pro bullying and pro violence? If I want to rape your children, you would stand there and watch/??? That is what your are broadcasting. No right to self defense if you do not have the tools to do it.
     
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    hahaha no it isnt he clearly turns back towards him. Game over. Its a valid shooting of a thug that deserved it.
    Lets see attitudes led them to park in a handicap and then assault people who objected to it. Push someone to concrete, you should fully expect to get shot by someone who is carrying. Its attempted murder and at that point you gave up your right to not get shot. I would have done the same thing if someone pushed me on concrete like that. If they do that they are attempting to take your life. Bang....game over...one less thug. A+. Hopefully his girlfriend knows not to park in a handicap spot next time as well. Attitude correction successful.
     
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    I would have shot him. Someone can come up behind the man on the ground and start stomping him. Do not expect someone to take a risk with life and limb because YOU decided to be aggressive and assault another person.
    He had every right to shoot.

    Please also note he only fired ONE SHOT, he didn't unload on him, just enough to drive him away, which is another reason I support his shooting the bully.
     
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    This wasn't some deranged old kook going around yelling at people in parking lots. Someone who wasn't handicapped parked in the handicap spot which pretty much already tells you that this is a selfish person who lives in "me" world. It's probably happened to this guy a bunch of times so he decides to say something. The person clearly doesn't respond "o, I'm sorry I didn't even realize. I'm not handicap and have no right to be here so im moving now." Then big strong boyfriend comes along and in an effort to defend his girlfriend's undeserved honor, throws this old handicap guy to the ground. So no...just because you're old you can't speak up and say something about someone's injustice? Just roll over and be quiet because I'm old? No thanks. You know who's not old and handicap? My glock 19.
     
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    He did NOT defend his girlfriend. She was in no danger. You case falls apart. He was the aggressor, and got shot for it. And your race baiting is a sad reflection on you.
     
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    And you believe in violence is OK with a surprise assault? Seems you feel violence is ok if you are the perpetrator, but bad if you are the victim.
     
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    That was not a nudge shove, it was a full blown attack to cause injury without any cause. I stand by the man on the ground to shoot.
     
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    Shoving someone is not attempted murder.
     
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    Nope, charge him and prosecute, just like with any other non-lethal assault.

    But then again, I don’t support summary execution without trial as a legal punishment for shoving someone.
     
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    yeah it is..
     
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    A Trump supporter sucker punched a protestor in the back of the head at one of Trump’s rallies. Would you have been cool with that Trump supporter being gunned down for that “full blown attack to cause injury without any cause”?
     
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    Doesn't have to be. It just has to be serious bodily harm.

    Anyone that old shoved so hard his feet leave the pavement could have easily been killed or seriously injured.

    Don't wanna get shot? Don't attack people.
     
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    Was he shoving him off a cliff or into a pit of spikes? Was he shoved into the path of a bus?
     

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