Guns & Stand Your Ground victory. Got a problem with that? video included.

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Moi621, Jul 20, 2018.

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Do YOU support this Stand Your Ground example of lethal gun defense?

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  2. No

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    This is a total fabrication.
     
  2. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    You would do well to familiarize yourself with the legal definition of assault before you run your mouth again.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    That would be self-defense. This thread is about "Stand your ground". Read the title!
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    "Where the shooter committed an assault"??? What are you talking about?

    He killed him!!!
     
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  5. TOG 6

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    Or.... what?
    Your claim has no substantiation whatsoever. None. Zip, zero, zilch, nada.
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/florida-stand-your-ground-fatal-shooting/index.html
     
  6. Texan

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    That was self defense, according to the police. Show me where he assaulted the woman and deserved a beat down.
     
  7. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Reality is not their strong suit.
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/florida-stand-your-ground-fatal-shooting/index.html
     
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    War? That's absurd.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Because of "Stand your ground" law. That's the point! In Florida killing the black guy is legal. In other states it's not.

    And why in the world would he "deserve' a beat down? Or not, for that matter. What does that have to do with this?
     
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    After his investigation, the Sheriff disagrees with you, as illustrated by the quotes provided.
    -Your- opinion means nothing .
     
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    He didn't deserve to be SHOVED. I mean come...it was a SHOVE not a 'beat down'. I'm guessing you've never seen or been involved in an actual beat down.

    Do you feel a shove deserves to be met with death?
     
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    absolutely but that didn't happen and many white men would've acted exactly the same way, you made it a black anger issue.

    I have had white women confront and threaten me, I only warned them to think twice about getting in face and they backed off, I didn't need to shoot them...
     
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    The video evidence is quite clear, and the state is involved.

    No one will ever be safe if law enforcement permits wanton violence like this.
     
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    I stated previously that the only reason I mentioned race was because BLACK people across the country have ALREADY made it a race issue, claiming that it is because of racism that Drejka is not being charged and that he killed McGlockton as an act of racism.

    My point in mentioning race is that since black people complain so often about racism, they should stop doing STUPID things that make it easy for racists to harm black people.

    Assuming as MANY black people across the country already believe, that Drejka is racist, it was STUPID of McGlockton to physically attack him, because it made it EASY for Drejka to kill him and get away with it.

    I'm not saying that Drejka is racist, just making a point for those who think he is.
     
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    Then why did absolutely no one press charges against Drejka for his threatening behavior?
     
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    Unlike you, the Sheriff actually investigated the incident and looked at more than just the video evidence.
    After that investigation, the Sheriff disagrees with you, as illustrated by the quotes provided.
    -Your- opinion means nothing .[/]
     
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    The way stand your ground is currently enacted, if you feel threatened in your own mind you have carte blanch to murder the person threatening you.

    There are no real limits or standards of evidence. As we saw with that murder over the handicapped parking spot, stand your ground has a huge gaping hole through which unprosecutable murders may be committed.
     
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    I don't think Drejka INTENDED to kill McGlockton (though in THAT moment, he probably didn't care if McGlockton died or not).

    In the heat of the moment, a civilian in fear of his/her safety usually isn't thinking about an attacker's well being. They are usually preoccupied with their OWN well being.
     
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    Bullsh*t
     
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    Given Drejka's history of confronting people in an aggressive manner as a handicapped person I think it's abundantly clear he was looking for an excuse to shoot someone.
    My mother's cousin was handicapped. You know what she never did? She never confronted people in parking lots in an aggressive manner. The only people who do that are those looking for a fight
     
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    Your assessment of SYG is dishonest, ignorant, or both.

    Like in any other version of self-defense, the threshold is "reasonable fear" - if the state does not believe you have a reasonable fear it will charge you with a crime and put you in front of a jury; if the jury believes you do not have a reasonable fear, it will convict you.

    Further, SYG differs from other forms of self-defense ONLY in that it mitigates if not eliminates, the duty to retreat before deadly force is allowed - in effect, it applies the castle doctrine to anyplace a person can legally be.

    Please - educate yourself:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
     
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    Rightly so.
     
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    I think it is a gross exaggeration to say that Drejka was looking for a FIGHT.

    An argument, obviously. A FIGHT, hardly.
     
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    Stand your ground would not even need to be invoked in this matter, as Drejka had already been subject to felony battery in the incident, and was on the ground while his assailant stood above him. Pure self defense is all the legal justification necessary.
     
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