Guns & Stand Your Ground victory. Got a problem with that? video included.

We saw that. What we also saw the attacker make absolutely no further move toward him. We saw the shooter recover from his fall, look up at the guy for nearly a full second, more than enough time to see that the guy was not making any further aggression. And then we saw the shooter decide to ****ing murder him anyway.

That piece of **** was not afraid, he was enraged and he executed someone out of fury. And the law let him do that because it is so ****ing ambiguously written you could drive an aircraft carrier through the hole in it.

 

I think a valid argument could be made that this is murder. The man has a history of trying to incite violence. It's quite clear given the evidence that he was the aggressor as soon as the attacker backed off.

He won't go to jail because Florida makes no distinction beyond "someone fears for their life," an unabashed and ambiguous term that should not even remotely enter into logical, legal discourse.

 

Then in your mind there would never be any defense for deadly force and everyone should just submit even if it costs your life.

 

The police can only go on the evidence at the scene because they do not have a past history of the people involved at the time. His past history might be considered if the prosecutor looks at the incident even then it won't have much weight if there is no hard evidence. A civil case if the persons family decides to bring one against him would have more latitude to use past history as was the civil case against OJ Simpson.

 

So if reports are correct it turns out Drejka is 47, so not old and it also turns out he may not be handicapped. If this is true...it makes him an even bigger chicken ****

 

Takes two to tango. If you feel you are being harassed, call the police. Get in your car and leave, or stand there until he runs out of steam. Just don't shove him violently.

Is that really too much to ask?

 

Manly art of pugilism, how is that a manly art? Any time hands are laid on another in violence in this age of YouTube it is felt as though it is life or death. Don't forget about great bodily harm though, that is a determining factor as well.

 

Yeah, because someone raping you is really low on the "aggression scale"... pfff. A rape is a 9 or 10 on the "aggression scale", do you understand how bad your comparaison is? What you wrote doesn't make any sense....

 

Good thing I don't think all your problems are solved because you have a gun... What's your point?

 

He was only retreating when he saw the gun by then it is too late.

 

No....it wasn't too late. The video clearly shows it wasn't too late. Drejka CHOSE to shoot even though he didn't have to.

 

I never said he shouldn't have been shot if he stepped forward again. The attack can't go on if the guy is 6 feet away and walking backward... Even more when he has gun pointing at the man and all he has to do is pull the trigger.

I never said you shouldn't defend yourself. There's many ways to defend yourself. He showed it by getting the guy to back off without needing to shoot his gun.

I guess you think that, when two guys are 6 feet apart, and 1 has a gun and the other doesn't, the guy with the gun is the one in danger. That makes perfect sense... And don't even think you believe that, but you're going to keep saying to push your point.

 

If you notice this, you'll understand at least one of the reasons you don't get very far with your arguments. You've omitted an important part of the law. Again.
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http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ute&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

The 2018 Florida Statutes

776.013 Home protection; use or threatened use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1) A person who is in a dwelling or residence in which the person has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and use or threaten to use:
(a) Nondeadly force against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force; or
(b) Deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.
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I know it doesn't adhere to your narrative, but man at least be honest about it.

 

Hey it's your "aggression scale", I'm just trying to understand it.

 

So I guess you think that if a 20 year old were to attack a 60 year old the old man can only defend himself with his hands and not fear great bodily harm or fear for his life?

 

Something makes me feel as though this guy is just pulling numbers out of his ass...

 

None of that matters, it seems that in your mind anyone who carries a gun is a chicken****.

 

No, that's not what I said. I believe deadly force has it's place. I don't think falling back on an obscure and easily abused notion, such as "fear for my life," is a logical or prudent thing to do.

 

No, the perpetrator was still facing him and not running away, still a danger.

 

What do you think would justify the use of deadly force?

 

Stop the nonsense. He was backing away. Since when is someone retreating a threat???

 

One can easily charge when backing away it becomes harder to charge if you turn your back to retreat.

 

Your insistence that his backing away is an act of disengagement whereas I hold that it is just to buy time to reevaluate his attack. What you are suffering from is Projection. Just because you would retreat doesn't mean that guy was. Not everyone is made like you are.

 

If the victim (man shoved) had a medical condition, such as when a marshal moved to assault a man after open heart surgery, it is different, when you do what the criminal did you don't know the health of your victim. Still, the man shoved did know his own health, he could have pulled his gun and not shot. Shooter probably should be charged with something less than murder, and at a minimum lose his gun rights forever.