Russia kills its F-35 Killer

This is sketchy.

What isn't questionable is Turkey and the UAE have approached the IDF about the F-35. It looks like Israel will have air superiority over Russians for the fifth generation as well.

 

Well put, and this has been said repeatedly. There's no dogfighting an F-35. You're dead before you even know it's there.

 

Air to air kills are very rare in combat.
Ground to air is the real contest for domination of the skies.

 

I think this article with an actual pilot of an F-35 explaining how countermeasures can't stop him is a good read. Here's a snip

Adversaries have to build a kill chain," said Flatley, a former F-35 pilot. Just because a radar can find an object — and Russian VHF radars can spot F-35s — doesn't mean it can fix, track, target, and consummate that kill chain with a missile hit, he said.

"We're not trying to prevent every aspect of that chain, just snap one of those links," Flatley said.

So while an infrared search and tracking system could spot an F-35 and give enemy pilots an idea of where it is, it couldn't track it or target it with a missile. This means that the systems Russia and China have spent millions developing provide only a tiny glimpse of the F-35 — systems that may be sunk costs in the grand scheme of things.

http://www.businessinsider.com/f-35-russia-china-radar-counter-stealth-2017-5

 

Unfortunately, he is more than likely wrong.

 

The F35 is not the aircraft that dominates the airspace by itself. It is a component of the overall ability to control the airspace, but far from the crucial elements that either Russia and China can not offset.

China is in a heap of trouble because they designed their stealth abilities around the concept that they can knock out US AWACs capabilities.

Little did they know that the US has developed capabilities that make this tactical strategy worthless.

 

S-400 are designed to knock out AWACS and mid air refuelers.

What is the range of Chinese AA systems?

Once your enemy knows your tactics, he will counter them.
To expect differently is to lose.

 

In the absence of AWACS the F-22 and F-35 can operate in a similar role. You're still fighting in the 1970's son.

 

As can Russian aircraft.
As can Russian AA systems.

A Russian tactic is one lead fighter risks itself gets all the radar information and the rest of the squadron uses this info to lock their missiles.

But this is all something that can be countered. And has been.

 

Russian fighters are inferior technologically to the F-15, let alone new American aircraft. US pilots have guns and russian pilots have swords.

 

Their pilots are also mentally handicapped, I am told.

 

Who or what tells you that they can not find it?

You know, stealth is now more a myth of invisibility on the radars than it is reality. Let me remind you that a soviet ground radar from the 1970's in Serbia has discovered an F-117 ... how do you know what the on-board sensors of today's Russian jets can or can not do?

As you know for sure, there are several ways / scenarios / processes of interception of gegenrischen Jets. One of them is the acquisition from the ground, followed by the delivery of my own jets to the destination. The Russian ground radar "Podsolnukh short-range over-the-horizon surface-wave radar" is definitely capable of discovering and tracking Stealt aircraft. ... up to 600 miles far!
Of course, this is denied on US side and seen differently, of course ... who wonders? Not me.
Only if the F-22, F-35 or even B-2 is discovered then it has a problem! If the Mig-35, SU-27 or SU-35 pilot knows where the opponent is, then he can easily turn it off with his on-board equipment and act actively.
Furthermore, stealth is not everything, because you also want to shoot down the enemy out of the camouflage and there is the AIM-120's weapon. But that is now disenchanted. If Syrian pilots can defend themselves successfully in their 3rd generation Russian Migs & Co years ago against Turkish and Israeli AIM-120 shots, then the Russians may be right, or not?

Stealth does not make you invisible, but veils it, but if you know what you are and once you have the approximate poisition, Stealth is no longer stealthy ... and the F-22 is nothing more than a dark-painted US jet!

 

But significantly better than the Patriot system ... and the successor to the Patriot - MEADS - is still in the trial.

As far as success in Syria is concerned, everything is relaible. Of course, not all misisles were and will not be shot down by the S400 system, of course, but conversely, for example, Israel does not hang on the big bell when their missiles were shot down.

 

Syria doesn't have one.
And it's S-200 has been shooting down Israeli planes, quite possibly including the first F35's to see combat.

 

Ehm ... as far as you are right about the S-200 and I agree with you here ... but the Russians have the S-400 depoloyed in Syria

 

They probably used it vs cruise missiles but I don't think they have been engaging planes with it.

S 200 is a good bit of kit.
Age is of little importance.

A Colt 1911 is as good a handgun today as when it was first invented.

 

The USSR was way more vital in defeating the Third Reich than the US ever was... about 70% of German forces were fighting in the East...Hitler hardly noticed you.

And, eeerrr... you're telling me that Germany would now hold a political position of dominance that the WASP have since Victorian times? And that Israel wouldn't exists (which is false, given that Hitler was a zionist) ??? My, what a tragedy that would be... Ha ha ha.

 

https://www.rbth.com/business/2015/05/08/allies_gave_soviets_130_billion_under_lend-lease_45879.html

Russia would have been German without U.S. help.

 

Is it? In 10 years they all be flying drones.

Also
Russian Propaganda Simulates Nuclear Strike On Florida In Video Claiming New Missile Capability

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...in_video_claiming_new_missile_capability.html






Donald... making America great again

 

Yep....Hitler hardly "noticed" us....until hundreds of B17s were conducting bombing missions over German cities....which BTW, led to the end of the war.
Every bombing mission enabled the russkis to move closer to Berlin.

No kidding 70% of German forces fighting in the east....why do you think the Georgian monkey was popping blood vessels in his head for US to open a second front.

Yeah Germany would've held a dominant position back in the day...even til today, especially had they had the Abombs.

 

Know your history and stop being so red, white and blue.

He is right, the VAST majority of forces the Nazi's had left were swarming over Ukraine trying to get to the outskirts of Moscow and Stalingrad.

The Nazi's had a chance to win but split their forces and put WAY too much emphasis on getting Stalingrad when there wasn't much point to do so other than pride.

Their puse gave the Soviets time to regroup about 30-50 miles (I think) outside of Moscow for the mother of all tank battles to decide the cities fate. Along with tank traps, artillery encampments and god knows what else, the Soviets were about as prepared as they could be for Moscow to be defended.

Sure enough, they turned them back and the slow steady tide of falling back went on for over a year for the Nazi war machine.

Meanwhile, the US/Canada/UK launched Normandie front was great and helped relieve the pressure any reinforcements could bring. But the main bulk (I think 70% is fairly accurate) of the Nazi forces were in the East, especially their vaunted and feared Luftwafe.

The US kept the Soviets alive through Lend-Lease. From what I have seen, since the battle of Moscow was SO CLOSE to being absolutely catastrophe for the Soviets, I think it safe to say that without it they would have lost.

But there is zero defending the statement that the Soviets were not the bulk of the fighting, bulk of the dying and bulk of the terror in that of WW2.

 

The russkis were beaten.....had it not been for lend lease, US opening second front.

Most Russians would've ended up as "lampshades" in German living rooms.)).

 

Hitler was a Zionist? You just lost whatever credibility you had left.
And are you going to claim second front did not help Soviets? Really?
Your amoture studies seem to be worthless.

 

Well, facile outrage aside, yes, Hitler was a de facto zionist, since he came to the same conclusion as Herzel: Jews should not live among gentiles. Hitler had amicable links with zionist groups in Palestine, and he even arranged for the departure of Germany's jews there, or in Madagascar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

"Amoture" knowledge beats ignorance any day. On the bright side, you need worry no more for my cred.

And yes, the Western front did helped the Russian fight the 70% of the German army that remained in the East. But don't claim that you beat Nazi Germany, because while you and 4 or 5 other nations fought 30% of the German forces. The one nation that beat Germany is the one that beat 70% of its force, and took Berlin.

 

"Took Berlin"??...funny I remember East/West Berlin....so the russkis didn't take ...all...of Berlin.

And what of it now,lol, Germany/Berlin united in Nato....and 30+ mln "soviet" lives for not)!

What an effing waste that "wall" was!?!