A two part question for those considering Socialism

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    I quit the Republican party because Bush was going to Invade Iraq... not over anything that drip wrote.
     
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    You are making a huge generalization. There are millions of corporations in the world. Some go where the labor is cheap. Some don’t. When they do, poor people get jobs. Would you prefer they have no jobs at all?

    Flown? Do you race pigeons or something? How are they “making out like bandits”?

    Untrue. Why don’t you provide an example of where this happened?

    How? Examples.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When you claim a thing can't exist, you defined myth. Ergo no need for the term at all.

    When I say socialism, I have analyzed the constitution looking for things the government has been approved to do. When the public gets forced upon it, things outside the constitution, I try to then see what purpose it is. When it translates to a scheme that harms the public, paid for with taxes, it can smell like socialism. The ancient Chinese are believed to have introduced it and yet there it has never produced the promised results.
     
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    Provide an example of a product that exists without capitalism.
     
  5. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did attempt to link you to knowledge. Bush followed a predetermined path to get rid of Saddam. Bush took the path well traveled.

    Rand wrote and explained why you were a republican. Back at that time, you wanted freedom for all. And you wanted smaller federal operations. And you believed in the public.

    Then due to the claim Bush invaded, that blew out of the window. As I said, time to refresh yourself by reading Rand.
     
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    Bush was a complete fool to invade Iraq.. and I wouldn't waste 5 minutes on Ayn Rand.
     
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    Why? You clearly don’t understand my post to vanishing point.
     
  8. Rob Larrikin

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    Wrong. Here is the definition of tax:

    a compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.
    It says nothing about Socialism, which is this:

    a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the State.
    America isn’t Socialist. The DOD exists thanks to taxes, and these are paid by business.

    Private business. Capitalism. Your deadly enemy.

    Only everything.

    That sentence made no sense. Pure Socialism can’t exist; never has and never will. It is like Santa Claus – a myth. The State can’t own “the means of production” (private business) because it will no longer be private business. The fact that Socialists can’t make anything is shown clearly by the fact that nothing in your home was made by socialists. It is all there thanks to capitalists.

    Name one object in your home – or the world – that was made sans capitalism.
     
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    New technology always creates new jobs as old jobs become redundant. When automobiles came along all the horse carriage and buggy industry people thought it was the end of the world. Soon after they were all working in automobile related areas. Cars created many new opportunities. This is an old and broken record we always hear when new technology comes along.
     
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    I notice you haven’t (so far anyway) provided an example of a product that exists sans capitalism. Where is it?

    That’s like saying health is better than cancer but at the expense of..?

    Here we go. Off into Looney Tunes Land.

    Who says it’s very thin? Last time I checked it was about 300 miles. That’s a lot thicker than your copy of Marx’ ‘The Communist Manifesto’.

    The word ‘vulnerable’ doesn’t apply to planets. It applies to people and partnerships. It’s like the word ‘murder’ which only applies to humans. People misuse it when they say we ‘murder’ cows. A lot of this is the fault of the Marxist English teachers who populate schools today. They’ve ‘greenified’ everything. No, Earth is not fragile. It is an enormous rock whose size you will never grasp, and even when an object the size of the moon smashes into it, it continues on. Could you withstand an impact like that? The Earth laughs at you for suggesting it’s ‘vulnerable’.

    I see you got your political theories from Batman comics.

    Sigh. Another millennial; another comic book theory.
     
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    Cuba and Venezuela paid the price for trying out Socialism; the inevitable result of trying a system that cannot work. Socialism is a dream with no foundations. It kills innovation and business, which means there is no money. When there is no money you begin to starve. There is a reason you can’t name one thing in your home that is not there as a result of capitalism. There is a reason you can’t name one modern, full time, wage-paying job that you could have today, if rich capitalists never existed.
     
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    It's Socialist-speak for "massive theft". The looters steal money from business and distribute it amongst themselves.
     
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    Shifting the blame is shifting the blame.

    Scene: Cops interview mafioso Luigi at murder scene.

    Cop: How do you think he died?
    Luigi: How would I know? He probably ate too much sugar. It’s bad for you I hear…
    Cop: What about the machine gun bullets in him?
    Luigi: "I dont know nuttin' about that. Anyway, I still think it was the sugar.
    Cop: Why was his wallet in your pocket?
    Luigi: He must have dropped it, and it fell into my pocket.
    Cop: How come his blood splatter is on your face?
    Luigi: I fell over and landed in his blood splatter.
    Cop: Why was his neck sliced open?
    Luigi: Don’t know. He probably ate too much sugar.
    Cop: How come the bloody knife is in your coat pocket?
    Luigi: Dunno, but I’m tellin’ ya, he died from eating too much sugar.
    Cop: Sure, I believe you. It’s all about the sugar.
    Luigi: Now yer talkin’.
     
  14. Robert

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    So, do we still sanction Iraq and it's people? Why not ask an Iraqi if they still want Saddam and the trappings that went with the idiot?

    Education is not for everybody. i happen to enjoy her books.
     
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    Poppycock.

    AL QAEDA IN IRAQ by M. J. Kirdar

    Executive Summary Founded in October 2004, al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) emerged from a transnational terrorist group created and led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The original iteration of the group, Bayat al Imam, began in Jordan in the early 1990s. The group first associated with al Qaeda’s senior leadership in 1999 and fought alongside al Qaeda core and the Taliban during the U.S. strikes in Afghanistan in late 2001. Shortly after, the group transferred to Iraq in anticipation of the U.S.-led invasion. From 2003 through 2007, the group galvanized the Iraqi insurgency until its high-profile, divisively brutal tactics and failure to deliver meaningful gains to its nominal constituents led to a reversal in its popularity. The death of Zarqawi in 2006 has been followed with a series of successful counterterror strikes against his successors. Nonetheless, the group has proven resilient and though its activities are greatly diminished since its operational peak in 2007, it has proven still capable of carrying out high-profile attacks, particularly against soft targets.
     
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    Where's your link?

    Bay'at al-Imam (English: Oath of Allegiance to the Prayer Leader) is an Islamic organization that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi led while in prison in Jordan from 1996 to 1999.

    Tajik special services have said there may be links between Bay'at al-Imam, Bayat - a Tajik Islamic organization, and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, an organization affiliated with Al-Qaeda:earth:

    A Terrorist Organization that Never Was: The Jordanian 'Bay'at al-Imam' Group (2014)


    http://www.academia.edu/5905846/A_T...r_Was_The_Jordanian_Bayat_al-Imam_Group_2014_
     
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    Margot2 please write this down. For proof it is in a few good books.

    1. Bush used the Afghan's own troops to fight the Taliban and those troops booted out the Taliban. That is where the AQ was per Bush and many other experts.
    2. Bush did not fight Saddam due to AQ. Bush fought him for other reasons. Essentially the same reasons that Clinton fought him for. Democrats made a huge fuss over AQ in Iraq but Bush never did.
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    If there is another manufacturing boom, who own
    This explanation doesn't make any sense. The government taking paper from some people and giving it to others.
    Nothing, Capitalism doesn't make things, people do.
     
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    The real looters steal natural resources and even kill over it.
     
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    https://www.thenational.ae/business/chinese-revel-in-the-joys-of-luxury-1.416469
    https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-middle-class-is-exploding-2016-8
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/07/reu...ppers-fueling-luxury-goods-pick-up--bain.html
    I don't know where you live but the Chinese come to California in droves to buy luxury items many Americans can't afford. They are going to London, Paris, LA, San Francisco etc...
     
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    Another nonsense "factoid" fresh off the Marxist Propaganda Press.
     
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    They mean thin compared to the planet. Of course 300 miles is thin compared to 8000 miles. On the other hand it's huge compared to one mile. Its ginormous compared to your approximate height of 5'8".
     
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    You are talking about the normal ebb and flow of people, influenced by jobs and business. So what?
     
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    For the third or fourth time, Socialism exists in the same way Scientology exists. If you can't understand that it's probably a language problem. Have a translator help you.
     

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