Labor policy

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    Well after the this week I think now it is time to look at the policies of the next government I stated I will never vote for a Shorten Government and that has not changed.

    Will the Australian people turn to minor parties largely enough to disrupt the political scene???

    Will we have to put up with at self-interested, dishonest pig of a human with no interest in the people if Australia???

    Energy policy has brought down a flimsy self interest government due to the distinct lack of humanity for the lesser of the people in this nation. a policy which purports to reduce energy bills by reducing the artificial increase of energy bills... Hmmm not sure the majority of Australian's swallowed that short sighted policy. for a Labor/Greens policy of 50% renewables which would somehow reduce the prices while artificially increasing prices to subsidies renewables due to the higher costs. well not actually a policy, just a philosophy as they have not created one.

    Just two policies, what else is there??? More taxes, how will that help the people??? I don't like the policies of Labor, and need a lot of convincing. so come on give us your best.
     
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    Well I will take that respect and point out.

    Many people vote simply for the party. Naive vote for single policy parties (protest votes) such as Greens, Shooters and Fishes party and so on. Some are party drones who don't consider policy purpose or value for future. Some vote for the lesser evil Such as Turnbull and Shorten And some vote for decent representation which also includes votes which are misguided to major parties to perform on their behalf. They lose the point of marginal seats getting huge funding to buy a vote. I have to laugh the amount of money spent in the state by-election of Riverina is extraordinary. Considerable funding of projects suddenly granted because the government are trying to win a seat they may lose...


    BUT I think facts have to faced, the ALP will most likely take the role of government at the next election. I don’t think Morrison can win back enough support in 9 months to actually lead in their own right.

    I think it time to discuss the ALP?Green's policy for the future...
     
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    Do the Greens have enough political muscle to be a credible coalition partner with Labour?
    Richard Di Natale is a sensible sort of bloke but what is his stance on defence?
     
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    I had thought Di Natale would strike a new and more credible leadership of the Greens. I had thought sensible policy would emerge, possible even a credible economic stance.


    Unfortunately, listening to his party members advocating for skills based refugee policy and the lack of any credible stance on Australians right to live (as a doctor I have to wonder) it is clear they will remain a one trick pony. Lack of coherent rural policy or even understanding only goes to demonise their party to be relegated to the suburbanite coffee shop politics of the trend setting wannabe social engineers they claim to be.


    Unfortunately they will make up considerable force of the Labor party government as the ALP base continues to shrink with the old and irrelevant mindset of past ideals.

    BUT hey, I hate Shorten, what else do you expect from me… hahaha
     
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    I have said this next election is Labor’s to lose.
    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/a-war-veteran-ignored-by-peter-dutton-for-years-has-slammed-his-au-pair-visa-decisions/news-story/3f6e62091c080c61668a4dfcf39a03cd
    Now I know some would be standing applauding the Labor\Greens coalition over this, but the truth is these stupid games are what people are sick of.

    Clearly there is nothing there but Labor continues to try score political points for something that just has no traction.

    These political antics are exactly why the major parties are losing support. The ALP has a lot to claw back to become the wanted party not just the best of the rotten but they seem intent on demonstrating they have nothing to offer the country other than political buffoonery which they used to great extent to put the country from money in the bank to debt high enough to see the waste.

    But they just don’t seem to be able to help themselves. Somebody might tap that scumbag on the shoulder and tell him that being the best of the worst can become the worst quicker than blinking an eye. Sure a week in politics is a long time but if your disliked it is small minorities that will decide your future. I don’t mean factional I mean a small amount of your electorates.

    I might hate him but if he doesn’t start acting like he could govern and stop playing stupid political games he will be relegated to political obscurity and he will take the ALP down with him.
     
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    As long as the new Labor government focuses on policy and not politics they will do well. I was listening this morning to a piece on Radio National and an interviewee was examining drought policy. Apparently we didn't have one for years because drought was considered an emergency so everything was done ad hoc. Then, according to her, our scientists worked out the predictable nature of drought and the then Labor government (they played an extract of Simon Crean delivering the Second Reading speech on a bill to create policy) and made it solid policy. Except that it wasn't solid enough, there looked to be (hey we're all wise in hindsight) a problem with defining special circumstances which would allow a farmer/producer to claim assistance. Anyway Labor got the boot and the Coalition was back in and the drought policy quickly became ad hoc again. Poor government, that's the Coalition's problem. That's why they're going to lose. I hope Labor stays on point - it's policy we want, not politics.
     
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    Drought policy??? You really want to point out the failure of governments on Drought policy???

    Listen, I am with you that Labor has to focus on policy not politics. BUT seriously, Labor and the Coalition have failed the farming community with their complete lack of decent policy. None of these politicians can be given any credit with the rural sector and seriously suggesting Dought policy is something different is naive at best. Labor in policy to supply drought relief was to subside the transport of feed, driving the transport costs to triple the cost. Great effort if you can buy the feed. Coalition... will lend you the money to help you get into huge debt just to feed your family...

    No Drought relief is not something they can crow about at all as it is clear the greatest thing from these politicians, visiting their rich mates on the land. Turns out was, that Morrison heard the people complain about the swami git and his new spotless hat... so he supported a cap...


    Poor government is exactly why they are going to lose but it is simply because Labor appears to be the best of the worst. Which is why if they simply continue to play politics may well find an unsuspecting outcome.
     
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    It was an example garry - an example of policy failure on two fronts. The first was that the policy, which was a good idea, had a major flaw. This flaw caused the policy to be a failure, even though it was a good idea. The second was that the Coalition government failed even to follow the failed policy, let alone fix it. We have been failed by our governments. Donald Horne was right, our politicians have been found out by and large as being useless. I'm just hoping that Shorten, the man without flash, is able to construct good policy in government.
     
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    Yes, and my point is that both parties continue to play petty political games with this very policy which is why it is not good example. While you are using it to highlight the failure of the Coalition the truth is it is a complete debacle of both parties.

    It is contrite for anybody to suggest any advantage over policy with either as this is one very major reason the Coalition will most likely be crucified at the next election and still the ALP plays stupid political games with it.

    I am not having a shot at you here, but this is the point I am making and have all along. BOTH these parties are too busy playing political games to actually represent the wishes of the people. Now the people are starting to wake up to the self-centred nature of these latest politicians they don’t seem to be able to get past their own navels.

    Don’t get me wrong, Morrison the dope only has to remain on message he has at the moment and the ALP refuse to focus on bringing decent policy, and they will lose. Again this is the ALP’s election to lose not the coalitions to win. Clearly the ALP refuse to stop playing stupid games with policy, which if it continues… well we will see.
     
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    Well written garry.
     
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    So Shorten has finally released some policy of the ALP to bring Pre-school to 3 year olds. Quietly they stated they would introduce the Cuts to big business once budget surplus of 21% is realised. And their biggest action, attempt to pass no confidence motion On Dutton.


    Ok, let us look at Dutton, Labor and Greens held a Senate inquiry into Dutton’s intervention into two women’s visa difficulties and found NOTHING. However, since one of the people who requested intervention in one matter stated “Long time between calls” this demonstrated he knew them. Well he did know the person. However, to the question of “do you know or have you any other relationship with the people these Nannies were going to work for?” he answered NO. So they claimed it was misleading the parliament. What a waste of tax payer money that is???


    As far as I know he never claimed not to know the people who requested intervention. That is not in dispute.

    Even in the debate the ALP/Greens stated that there was nothing illegal and that it was done with recommendations from the department. SO when they claim misleading, they are the people misleading. The enquiry noted that Dutton made them sign undertaking not to work on the tourist visa they were being granted so the question of him knowing anybody they are going to work for has to be NO. Nobody, demonstrated these people worked for anybody while in Australia on these Visas… And I am not the only one who noticed these stupid games and serious waste of tax payers money to line their own pockets and play pathetic games…


    So what about the tax cuts??? Labor policy is to cut negative gearing, Cut to franking and increases in income tax to bring budget back to surplus while again spending incredible amounts of money. I think the capers of the last parliamentary sitting is good indication of this when they looked to the last budgetary papers to demonise the government with claims of cuts to the elderly sector from the issue of productivity dividends.


    No, this one point demonstrates Labor is completely incapable of running a financial system as it clearly shows they don’t understand what it is. Now don’t get me wrong, it is clear many people don’t understand productivity and I am speaking of some very smart people. So, if a man was to make one box an hour, in a 38 hour week he would make 38 boxes. His business made a contract to deliver 100 boxes a week. There are two things he could do one is work longer, which is a production increase but not a productivity increase. So he changes the way he makes the boxes so now he makes 2 boxes an hour. So making 76 boxes a week. That is both a productivity increase and production increase. His change was that instead of both gluing and stapling he now only glues the boxes. Thus decreasing the cost of each box. That is a productivity dividend.


    A productivity dividend just means a reduction in cost of getting something done. This does not mean you put the difference in your pocket just that you now have more to spend on other areas.

    Since Labor doesn’t believe the government should find reduction in costs one would have wonder how they intend to pay for their promises.


    Well the answer is in the details because not only have they said it will be funded by savings of cutting negative gearing the cost of pre-school education is that of the states. So just as their unfunded promise of the NDIS, now they are promising the states will pay for their promises. So not only are they going to increase the taxes, reduce the opportunity for those who want to try raise themselves from obscurity, increase rents and kill the housing market to look for the popular vote they want to promise what they cannot pay for…

    They have to get serious, so quickly are the polls turning against them, surely they are getting the message people are not convinced by their petty politics…
     
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    Seriously, did this clod not learn from the past???
    https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/labor-offering-subsidise-home-solar-130432306.html
    The previous ALP government ran out of money to subsidise solar so this clown comes along and tells us he will subsidies those batteries for solar.

    Honestly, the poor will be force to pay again for policy to subsidies the rich for the promises of ALP. After all, I don’t know how many welfare recipients have disposable income to install solar panels. Seriously, this stupid idea that government subsidies to the rich to reduce their cost of living. I know the other lot are very big on the nose, but surely subsidising the well off and rich from government coffers will be stopped. We have heard for the last 5yrs about the ideal of Coalition pampering the rich at the poor expense. Do we really have to have the ALP telling us their policy is tax breaks for rich paid by increased taxes for retirees and higher income taxes?

    Now we hear policy to give money to the rich which will have to come from somewhere. Obviously the poor, like there clean energy policy to artificially increase the power prices to raise the funds to subsides renewable energy. Oh and the foolishness to believe by cutting the subsidies by say 5% (wasn’t it??) will reduce energy costs for households. In other words costs actually increase but the government tax on cost of energy is reduced not the actually energy cost.

    Really, we have to hit reset on these politicians and kick them all to the kerb. There really has to be a better way.
     
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    Looks like the price of batteries are going to go up.

    Jokes aside, $200 what is that? Nothing from a household point of view, but a massive cost to the economy at large.

    Seems poorly thought out to me and lacking depth from a policy point of view. What tax is increasing to pay for it?

    Having said this, at least it is a policy for consideration. We’re off to a start.
     
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    Yes we are off to a start, I have to agree. Poor as it is a start has began.

    Clean energy policy is taxing power prices to subsidise Renewable closing the gap in cost of production to make renewables more attractive. We all know this yet the many still want to pretend that this closure of cost is through increase in production. Cutting of negative gearing and capital gains tax changes. Who do you think will be affect the most from those changes??? The rich, will simply adjust their financial situation to reduce exposure to such policies.


    No, the ALP seem content on hitting the people who least can afford it, to pay for their zealous spending. Trying their best not to offend the higher end of town in a hope to secure the top job. Nothing was learnt from their previous dalliance in government, already announcing their spending patterns while hiding the fact of where they will be left to create the income to pay for it.

    It would appear the Coalition are jumping on the band wagon of placating the populist vote as well. We cannot ignore the foolishness of the embassy shenanigans to try win a vote in the bi-election.


    I really think this is going to be an election for popularity not policy from all. I think we are just starting to see the race to the bottom. The question is going to be, how low can they go???
     

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