Russian Il-20 downed by Syrian missile after Israeli F-16s used it as cover during attack – MoD

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't mean to speak for "Ethereal" regarding Trump being a "treasonous coward" but from my perspective, Trump has proven to be treasonous in his unwavering fealty toward Netanyahu(1) & Israel's Right Wing Zionist extremists by fighting another war for Israel and its ally, ISIS, against Syria.

    The destruction & dismemberment of Syria, Iraq & other regional Islamic countries have long been part of Israel's infamous Oded Yinon Plan & Trump seems committed to helping them achieve it.

    That is not the only example of Trump's betrayal of US interests in favor of the Zionist agenda.

    Additionally, his unilateral abrogation of the Nuclear Deal, moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, cutting humanitarian aid to the Palestinians, plugging for Israel at the UN & unconditional support for Israeli Settlements are all examples of his betraying genuine US interests in favor of attempting to appease his implacable Zionist masters who only want one thing:

    .....MORE!



    (1) "How Netanyahu Pulls Trump’s Strings"
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/15/how-netanyahu-pulls-trumps-strings/
     
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    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Russia is in Syria fighting Al Qaeda. The Israeli and US governments are protecting Al Qaeda in Syria. Therefore, Russia's involvement in Syria is legitimate, whereas Israeli and US involvement in Syria is malevolent and criminal. Try to understand the difference.
     
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    Trump is committing treason by providing aid and comfort to America's sworn enemies. Naturally, as you are not an American, you cannot understand my feelings. But I do not care if you understand my feelings or not. All I care about is protecting my country from its enemies, whether they are foreign or domestic in origin. So I will continue to do what I can to inform my fellow Americans about Trump's treasonous conduct.
     
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    We? Are you claiming to be an American?

    Anyway, these provocations have brought the civilized world to the brink of ultimate destruction on several occasions. Perhaps the only explanation for why the world was not engulfed in nuclear hellfire is some kind of providence. But relying on providence or luck or randomness is arguably the most insane and dangerous approach to the prospect of nuclear Armageddon I can think of - at some point, our luck will run out.

    That said, there are some times perhaps when a provocation can be justified on grounds of national interest or security. But provoking Russia in Syria does not serve the interests or security of America one bit. In fact, US policy in Syria is 100% against the interests and security of America.

    Trump is providing aid and comfort to Al Qaeda, the sworn enemies of America. That is treason.

    Trump promised to improve US-Russian relations. Clearly he lied, just like he lied about staying out of Syria.
     
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    Oh OK, so it's fine to ignore and/or join Jihadi Hizbullah factions because other powers are supposedly backing other jihadis.
     
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    They were invited by the legitimate leader of Syria
     
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    That's stupid because it makes any actor (state or non-state) fighting against a certain anti Assad - here it is allegedly the al qaeda--non-state actor legit. I don't know maybe all this is about legitimizing Wagner's contract killers who are not even that good at killing.
     
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    Hahaha... OK... I think I shouldn't tread on Novichok dudes...
     
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    Trump is committing treason by siding with Putin against the IC... Thanks to the patriots of WH, the situation with the foreign policy is under control "despite" the guy who can't even pronounce anonymous...
    Check with your feelings dude, they may end you up favoring an Asiatic "fake macho" image without you even noticing anything... Lol...
     
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    Huh?
     
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    I don't really care what you do. I'm not here to convince some Turkish guy that Trump's policies are treasonous and damaging.
     
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    No, Trump is committing treason by protecting Al Qaeda, the sworn enemies of America and western civilization.
     
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    Who?
    a) Jihadi factions of Hezbollah
    b) Lebanese Hezbollah
    c) Badr Corps,
    d) Kata’ib Hezbollah,
    e) Asa’ib ahl al-Haq
    f) All of the above?
     
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    Then don't. Simple as that...

    No, Trump is committing treason by protecting Putin and other populists wanting the rule of law gone forever.

    Russia is supporting and protecting sworn enemies of the US:
    a) Iranian Jihadi groups
    b) Taliban and related groups
    c) Factions within ISIS
     
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    I'm not responding to you for your benefit.

    No, Trump is committing treason by providing aid and comfort to Al Qaeda.

    Iranians didn't murder 3,000 Americans on 9/11, Al Qaeda did.

    No, Russia is not supporting or protecting the Taliban. That is just nonsense.

    Again, more nonsense. Russia is bombing ISIS and factions associated with ISIS.
     
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    True, but equally true...America is also.
     
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    Possible but again that means they still arent operational and not delivered so certainly not avaible to be put into syria.
     
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    The news should be "A Russian Built Anti Aircraft Missile Defense System Shot Down a Russian Plane",
    and make the Israelis are laughing, is the Russian Pilots and Russian Militaries in Syria right now that gullible and seemingly not in control?
     
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    Syria has enough S300
     
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    And S200, now learning to operate them and not shoot down their allies.
     
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    The US government bombed ISIS in Raqqa only to protect Al Qaeda in Idlib.

    Typical US government duplicity and corruption.
     
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    No. Trump is committing treason by siding with a KGB agent and going "knowingly" against IC findings

    This argument is irrelevant and the use of it merely signals for a very weak rationale.
    Iran has proxies all over the middle east waging hybrid war in Gray areas.
    Iran has been seriously threatening the very existence of the most reliable friend and ally the US has; Israel.
    Russia is protecting Iranian jihadis that wants death upon Jews.
    So Russia is on the side of the jihadis that believe the entire humanity should be forcefully Islamicized (hence the meaning of jihad) .
    Iran has been destabilizing Iraq, Syria, and Yemen by using terrorist groups. Therefore Iran is responsible for the death of thousands of civilians.

    Yes, Russia is supporting AND protecting Taliban from border areas of Afghanistan. Russia is also providing Taliban with weapons. Russia negotiates with nationalistic factions of Pakistani government, including ISI chiefs, to support and harbor Taliban groups. These groups then bomb, attack and kill officers and soldiers of the LEGITIMATE government of Afghanistan, along with civilians.

    You obviously have very limited knowledge of Russia's hybrid warfare strategies, despite being - if not posing- a below average Russian troll.
    Russia has great deal of Jihadi citizens and chose to use Thema while back in Syria in ways that fit the best to its interest which are consisting mostly of "legitimizing the land grabs" in west of Euphrates.
     
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    For those who did not read my thread on Israel being criminally negligent, here is the latest:

    Within 2 weeks, Moscow will supply Syria with it's S-300 missile defense systems. From what I read, Russia did not supply them because they would have been able to cover all of Israel, and could hit the jets the minute they took off. The $400 million deposit given by Assad at the time, was returned.

    I don't know what Israel's intent was, but it backfired.
     
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    There was no intent, just like in ukraine russia gave weapons to people that dont know how to properly use them and they shot down the wrong plane.
     
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    OK jiji... I'll be there in a bit and will start my lecture.
     

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