The one thing the Kavanaugh nomination has shown

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  1. Mr_Truth

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    Why God Is Laughing at Brett Kavanaugh
    American politics is about power, not principle. If anyone should know this, it's Brett Kavanaugh.


    https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...augh-supreme-court-ford-sexual-assault-219983


    It is on this point that the cosmos may be having a laugh not just at Kavanaugh’s expense but at many other people’s. After decades of competitive moralizing and situational ethics—in which every accuser in due course becomes the accused, and anyone riding a high horse can expect to be bucked off—even the concept of fairness in American politics seemingly is defunct.

    Three decades of remorseless ideological and cultural combat—over Robert Bork, over Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill, over Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich, over Bush v. Gore, and, at last and above all, over Donald Trump—have made the question virtually irrelevant.

    Fairness is rooted in the idea of principles, precedent, proportionality. Few people in American life witnessed at closer range than Kavanaugh the modern reality that when things really matter—in the way that the balance of the Supreme Court matters—all these fine notions matter less than the cold, hard exercise of power.

    So here was Kavanaugh—who spent his early 30s as a Ken Starr warrior pursuing Bill Clinton for the political and legal implications of his most intimate moral failings—now in his early 50s facing a political crisis over disturbingly vivid, passionately contested, decades-old allegations about Kavanaugh’s own possible moral failings.

    Few prosecutors, it seems likely, would ever open an assault case—36 years later—on the basis of Christine Blasey Ford’s account of being pinned down on a bed by a drunken Kavanaugh, then 17, and being aggressively groped until a friend of his physically jumped in.

    But few prosecutors in the 1990s would have pursued an extensive criminal investigation over perjury into a middle-aged man’s lies about adultery if that person had not been President Bill Clinton. In his zeal at the time, Kavanaugh, like Starr, may have worked himself into a belief that this was about sacred principles of law, but to many others—and ultimately to a clear majority of the country—it was obvious that the case was fundamentally about political power.

    Kavanaugh’s fate, too, now depends on precisely the same thing





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    Yup. Same old story - what goes around comes around.
    Thus, Republicans have no valid complaint.
     
  2. tecoyah

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    Tell that to Bill Cosby, even better send it on the back of a #MeToo bumper sticker.
     
  3. Stevew

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    Dems have not represented the American PEOPLE since 2010 when they pushed Obamacare on the people without one vote from republicans. And they have not changed.

    The first mid-term after a major election loss is when a party reevaluates their political policies in order to make a come back. That NEVER happened with dems SINCE 2010. In fact, dems moved further left.

    Steve
     
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  4. Mr_Truth

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    correction: Obamacare was pledged by the majority party, the Democrats in the August, 2008 DNC meeting ~ a pledge endorsed by the MAJORITY voters in November
     
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    Wrong again.

    The "pledge" has to be based upon the two parties working together to represent all the American PEOPLE'S wants and needs.

    After the Obamacare introduction in 2010, dems lost well over 1000+ seats ACROSS THE BOARD at local, state, and federal levels of power. That shows dems have a problem with the American voters and refuse to change, therfore will contine to lose elections in the future until they change by moving back toward the CENTER.

    Steve
     
  6. garyd

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    We'll have to agree to disagree here.
     
  7. Thought Criminal

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    There is no rush.

    That is a Fake News leftist narrative.
     
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    No. It hasn't been shown, at all.
     
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    Yep, and that's the sad part.
     
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    You think Brett won’t become a Justice? I already have one $25 bet that he will. I can make it a second if you like, even for a smaller amount.
     
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    Why is everyone born in America automatically a Christian???I don't think so.
     
  12. garyd

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    I think he will but that is solely because there is no hard evidence in support of any of these allegations. And the Avenatti one is essentially so off the wall as to be all but impossible.
     
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    WUT??!?
     
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    No rush. Really.

    This is a lifetime appointment to the SCOTUS. We have a hearing happening tomorrow, a committee vote Friday, with a push for a full vote potentially this weekend. The president could request that the FBI re-open the background check, could theoretically take them 2-3 days to interview people, AND we have two more people who have come to accuse Kavanaugh. Instead of doing any due diligence on these actually super serious allegations, let's just vote. Let's do this immediately.

    No rush.
     
  15. Thought Criminal

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    We had hearings.

    There was a ton of time for people to put forth their works of fiction.

    It's their fault for not bringing up their lies at the appropriate time.

    Next time, they should time their lies better.

    Too bad.

    There's no rush. That's a Fake News narrative.

    It's worthy of being ignored. That's all.
     
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    Let's see how the next couple of days pan out chief. None of us know where the day is headed. Do you concede that it's plausible that we may end up in uncharted territory by the end of the day?

    Glad there's a vote tomorrow so we can't follow any potential stuff up!

    No rush.
     
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    "Do you concede that it's plausible that we may end up in uncharted territory by the end of the day?"

    I absolutely believe that there is a great chance of witnessing a descent further into The Twilight Zone.
     
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    Due diligence of accusations w/o no supporting evidence or corroborating witnesses is to ignore them in full.
     
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    Mark Judge?
     
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    The guy who said he has no idea what Ford is talking about?
     
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    The person KBF said was in the room? Don't you think he might be relevant under oath?
     
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    Yes - the person who said he has no idea what she's talking about.
    Why do you think this will change if he goes under oath?
     
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    All I saw in the two testimonies today is that America has a dysfunctional government the product of extremists on both sides. This time it was Republican's turn to be jackasses. The inability to step forward and engage with Ms. Ford directly was a breathtaking act of cowardice and dereliction of duty. This will be yet another act on part of the GOP to push average Americans to rush for their vomit bags. Then, when they questioned judge Kavanaugh, they went totally ballistic and even the judge totally lost it a few times. Does the GOP really think this kind of Trumpian imitation play well with anyone but their base? Most Americans are ladies and gentlemen, something the Trumpites forgot long ago.

    Was Ms. Ford truthful? Without a doubt yes. Are the Democrats using her in a last ditch attempt to quash Kavanaugh's chances for conformation? No doubt about it. In typical Washington fashion, it was payback, again. In a way, I'm glad that normal Americans had this opportunity to see their divided government in action. There was enough hatred and vitriol in the room to melt down the Washington monument. Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. America, you finally have the government you so richly deserve.
     
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    Ford took a polygraph and passed. She was telling the truth.

    Ford wants the FBI to investigate.

    Ford was solemn and deliberate in her testimony. Given the circumstances, she showed a remarkable calm demeanor.

    Ford has absolutely nothing to gain by lying. She has much to lose, the security of her family and her reputation.

    Kavanaugh did not take a polygraph.

    Kavanaugh did not want an FBI investigation into the three allegations.

    Kavanaugh was the expert at Senate hearings with an abundance of help and training. He lost it several times. He was angry, combative, not the least politically impartial, did not display an open mind, and he did not show the kind of temperament a Supreme Court judge should have. With his vindictiveness and raw emotion rather than logic, the very opposite was true. His demeanor as a witness was abominable, if not tragic considering the stakes.

    Kavanaugh has much to gain if the Republican panel believes him.
     
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    Bravo, one hell of a comment. And quite true.

    I have to say Kavanaugh emulated Trump admirably. Like Trump yesterday at his solo press conference, Kavanaugh repeatedly interrupted the questioner when the questioner was a Democrat. Then he would do his best to avoid answering the question, rambling about how great a guy he was, how badly his reputation has been sullied, how he will never teach or coach again, how four people including someone named Kaiser (?) swear he is innocent. Over and over and over again, much like Trump.

    His opening statement was pure Trumpian. In an aggressive manner he accused the Democratic Senators on the Judiciary Committee of being part of a conspiracy to drag his name through the mud. Even if that were true, it is not something someone aspiring to be an impartial judge on the Supreme Court should say. Throughout the hearing, he was belligerent and aggressive, and not the least bit impartial or open minded.

    It was a pathetic performance from a man who wants to be a part of the most powerful court in the land. So pathetic that even if he were deemed innocent of all charges somehow in an "he said/she said" environment, he should not be confirmed. With the temperament he displayed today, there is no place for him on the Supreme Court.

    In a word, he lost it, several times.

    There is little doubt that Trump loved his performance. Picture this, one Trump in the Oval Office. Another one on the Supreme Court.

    Good God, no.
     

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