Saudis are said to have lain in wait for Jamal Khashoggi

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/midd...i-disappearance-investigation-intl/index.html
A week ago, Jamal Khashoggi walked into the Saudi consulate in Istanbul alive. So where is he now?

A little over a week ago, a prominent Saudi journalist walked into the consulate general in Istanbul, intending to get paperwork that would allow him to marry his Turkish fiancée. She hasn't seen him since.
Since then, officials and journalists have scrambled to piece together the story of what happened to Jamal Khashoggi.
Closed-circuit television footage, flight trackers, intercepted communications and even a bone saw have served as pieces of a puzzle that has spurred a diplomatic outcry.

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Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud known colloquially as MbS, is the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. Jamal Khashoggi is a Saudi citizen, a Washington Post reporter and a U.S. resident. His criticism of MbS certainly was not extreme yet MbS had an assassination squad go to Turkey, kill him and dismember him with a bone saw and carry his body parts out of the embassy in roll-away luggage.

How does the US, and the entire civilized war deal with MbS and Saudi Arabia if this is indeed what happened? The Saudis knew how to handle Trump. They flattered him by flashing his image up on their buildings on one of his first foreign trips, they honored him with a sword dance. Trump's ego loves that sort of thing. Did the administration in Saudi Arabia figure that they were so comfortable with their relationship with Donald Trump and Jared Kushner that they could get away with this? Did they get a green light internally to go ahead and do what they've done and get away with it?

If this crime is true, the U.S. and the entire world should have a sense of outrage. Our government should be making it clear to Saudi Arabia that this is not acceptable. This is a fundamental break in the rules of what's tolerable. For reporters who are trying to cover this part of the world, this must be terrifying.

 

Forget about this? Jesus...

 

Or this...

 

They control a LOT of oil... you know...the same oil we won't go after ourselves. Environmental hazard you know

 

There's no way to compare the oil business in KSA with the oil business in the US.. Their production is fully integrated and efficient with downstream manufacturing in Jubail and Yanbu.

 

And not a cheep out of Dirty Donald or our State Department.

 

Right, because we are better than them.

 

Oh yes, the infamous bow. Meanwhile Trump expresses his love for Kim Jong Un and did whatever he did in Helsinki with Putin.

But Obama bowed once as a greeting.

 

No one should be surprised, if the saudi ruling elite murdered a journalist because they didn't like what he wrote or spoke about. Speaking truth to power, those few that have the balls to do it, whether under the penalty is prison, or the life of the journalist, only shows that most people in power, think that they can do this and get away with it. And generally do.

Personally, IMO, that american journalist who busted out the military leaders in afghanistan, and was about to go undercover on another assignment, to end up dead in a fiery car crash, as he was in the process of taking on the job, is a potential victim of what happens when you are speaking truth to power, with particular people in power. We then found out afterwards, that our CIA had software that would take over a computer controlled modern car, and could use it as a device to murder whomever they thought should be taken out. Of course, that our intel has such tools should mean it was developed for a purpose, and if you didn't plan on using it, it would have never been developed in the first place. But even saying there was a purpose behind the CIA creating this tool of killing is tin foil hattery, according to those people who are naive, and cannot believe the CIA would kill someone they thought was a risk or danger to those who hold and wield power.

I am afraid we do not live in a world with boy scouts running the various shows. And we do not live in a world where high moral principles are lived by our ruling elites and their henchmen. Perhaps we once did, with principled men in positions of great power, and we can read about such men in history books, college level. But that is not our reality today, although surely there must be a few who are such principled men. But just looking at the more recent heads of american intel, their lies, and what they have done, no one should believe these were moral, principled men.

So, you take a nation like saudi arabia, and the possibility they may have murdered a journalist, and it is not only believable, but actually expected. Would the US ever do a thing about it, if they knew it was a murder? ha ha ha. Only if it were Putin, would they even threaten. We have been in bed with the saudis, since at least george herbert walker, which explains also why the bush family are such loyal friends of the ruling elite in saudi arabia. It is about the most important thing to the elites, whether here or elsewhere, and the only principle worth mentioning involves of course money, and vast amounts of it. SO, 911, that mass murder happened with financing from some of the elites in the saudi kingdom, which is the reason a part of the 911 report, was kept classified for so long. This would of course be no different. We don't mind covering for other ruling elite, as long as they are not Putin. We are in bed, historically with brutal dictators, if our elites need them in order to keep the money rolling in. So apparently Putin is not one of these rulers who keep the slop buckets full in order to feed those elites who use them. And that my friends is how the world that you live in operates, regardless of what your partisanship dictates that you must believe.

 

Saudi Arabia has been a US ally since the late 1930s. Bush's tie to KSA was that he borrowed money and then lost it all.

 

The ties of the Bush family go way back to george herbert walker. Need me to link you to some history?

Giving western oil companies to access to middle eastern oil has much to do with one tribe coming into power in saudi arabia, if I recall it correctly. Indeed, the need of that oil over there played a role in who got set up into power long ago. Western oil companies needed the right arabs and persians, in place so they could conduct business. Don't know what it is today, but I think the original deal was that the new ruling elite in saudi arabia, was they got to keep 30 percent of the oil revenues that they sat on, under all of that sand. And the western oil companies provided the exploration, tapping and pumping of that oil. How many americans, our elites got richer by such deals, and by placing particular groups of arabs into power? Later on, who the west put into power created problems but no elites, or few elites died in this, so it is all good.

So how many problems that have arisen in the middle east was because of oil and western elite profits? For a developing world and western economies had to have their oil, and western oil companies of course wanted the great profits involved, and in many cases dictated what a western gov't would do, in foreign policy. But at what eventual cost? Of course, I am sure the Bush family never added to their great wealth, which involved oil from the middle east, so they have never had any dogs in that hunt, right? ha ha ha

Question is, a relevant question is, just how much was money involved, made by western elites, and what did this eventually lead to, in regards to the middle east, and our foreign policy, including wars costing trillions at the end of the day along with terrorism, coming from the middle east? Or was it just one huge free lunch? And when the bush admin allowed some of the elites from saudi arabia to fly when everyone else was grounded after 911, was this just coincidental, or were old money ties involved in such a decision? And did some of the bin laden family get special treatment as our airlines were grounded in that period of time? Because a group of mostly arabs, from saudi arabia, flew commercial aircraft into the twin towers, and tried to hit the white house, and succeeded in hitting the pentagon?

Hell, one would think Iran was behind this attack instead of sunni saudis, or perhaps iraq and saddam!!! If iranians had been the murderers, do ya think iran would still stand today? ha ha. I guess the money the saudis have made for our elites made them immune to retribution? So we went after saddam, an enemy of the saudis, instead. And even assad, for the syrian ruler would not allow the pipeline for NG to cross his nation. Oh, that rejected pipeline had nothing to do with us helping to foment a war against assad, even seeing groups like AQ and isis, come into the conflict, and it was only russia actually fighting these groups that helped assad to defeat them. ha ha.


Of course the naive believe it was just about assad being a bad actor, and had nothing to do with anything else? Some of us are not given such a luxury though, to be so naive as to how this world actually operates, and it isn't an installment of the walton's nor the andy griffith show! Instead, it looks more along the lines of the dark empire from star wars, given such empires and the interests of a few elites, is a certain archetype, given the reality of a commonality that never goes away.

 

Obama didn't just "bow", he "vowed". When did the Russians hack us, again?

 

+1

 

The original concession was a small share of oil revenue .. never as much as 30%... They renegotiated 50% in 1950.

The British bet on the Emir of Mecca.. failing to understand that Ibn Saud united the tribes. Ibn Saud was NOT put in power by the British or the US.

Saddam was NO threat to the Saudis.. They had forgiven his OPEC quota debt.. Kuwait had NOT.

KSA never wanted a pipeline thru Syria.. They had one years and years ago from Ghawar and Sidon and prone to sabotage because of political strife in Syria. KSA has the East West pipeline that runs from Ghawar to Yanbu.. I think you have probably confused Qatar with Saudi Arabia. Qatar wanted a gas pipeline thru Syria.

Herbert Bush begged the Saudi to raise the ppb in 1985-86 because out domestic producers were going bankrupt... but the Bushes had NO investment in Saudi oil production nor ARAMCO.

You don't know much about Arabia or the oil business.

 

If at first you don't succeed, move on to the next fake conspiracy...

What was the underhanded effort you dreamt Obama held off on here?

 

They're still doing it . In fact, according to our intelligence Community, it has gotten worse since Trump was elected.

 

I''ll lay you money that Trump not only didn't warn this guy but sicced the Sauds on him... I already wonder how many of our spies in Russia are now dead.

If Trump keeps the House in November I expect the arrests and assassinations of Americans to begin forthwith. Trump is eager to show his mentor how well he's learning

 

Margot, you seem to know a lot about the Middle East. What do you think of Daniel Yergin's book, The Prize?

 

Its excellent... In fact, I need to reread it.

 

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I hope Khashoggi isn't dead.

 

So since Obama gave them the flexibility, they've gotten worse?

Who was President when they hacked the election?

You quoted me and didn't answer the question...

Odd. Shall I repost?

 

One hopeful sign is that 15 people seem to have been sent for him. That suggests a rendition rather than a murder.

 

I sure hope you're right.

 

Agree with most of what the OP is saying.

Right up until they brought Trump into the picture, obviously making the thread about being anti-Trump, instead of actually caring about the humanitarianism, an honest answer would be that both parties have shown equal attention to SA.

Because of the obvious hypocrisy, anyone who isn't Progressive will immediately turn the page or simply stop reading.

Hypocrisy is no longer valid to the American voter since there has been so much against Obama first, and now it has gone even further to the point of flat out lying in an attempt to harm Trump.

Stick to issues, you will get a better reaction from the public.

 

Better ignore his funeral next week, then....