Maybe liberals on the forum can explain this to me and others

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  1. MAGA

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    The one I quoted earlier
     
  2. MAGA

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    I actually meant to say "some" rich kids become corporate leaders.

    Apologies for the typo
     
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    54% of middle income(defined as income between $48,000 and $95,000) have not saved enough to retire on,the same number as n 2010.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you and George Soros.
     
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    Wouldn't mind being at Soros's level of financial accomplishment.
     
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    False. Please identify the "liberal" in your noggin who is telling you this.
     
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    Am curious as to your source of information. That number seems quite low.
     
  8. MAGA

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    image being g that rich without selling your soul.
    The DNC.
     
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    Please provide a link to the DNC (your "liberals"?) telling you that "Liberals claim it is greed for a person that has worked very hard for his money, to keep his money and do with it what he wants..."

    I can find no documentation of your fantasy.

    It's as silly as pretending that "conservatives" (aka the RNC) are telling folks that no one has a responsibility to support the system and society he relies upon in order to prosper.
     
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    Have you ever heard them speak?

    Oh.. If you want to claim some sort of victory because I don't produce an exact quote.. Knock yourself out.
     
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    I don't think I have ever heard a liberal say anything like that.
     
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    I think you have twisted it, for ideological reasons. Greed drove offshoring our economy, or otherwise it would have never happened. But then again, most so called democrats, liberals, are in full support of this! Just as the GOP and conservatives have been, since it puts business and a particular form of capitalism above all things, even humanity itself.

    It sounds closer, your beliefs, to the idea that taxation is some great form of evil, and that people should not be taxed, and then taxes used for some greater good of a society, a nation. I know generally speaking, people on the Right do not believe in a gov't, by and for the People to get involved in trying to help assure that the low IQ poor don't starve or live lives that looks like some african third world nation, kids with pot bellies, and skin and bones. For they believe private charity should be the only way to address the poor, and they should not have their taxes used to keep other americans from suffering and dying from poverty. Yet Christ told us that the poor will always be with us, so they are not going away. History proves this without doubt or questioning.

    And yet they must believe that charitable hearts will always insure that low IQ people don't die of deprivation. Except that belief is a great disconnect from reality, and it would take another low IQ person in order to believe such rubbish. Fact is, and it has always been a fact, there are always more low IQ poor people than charitable hearts.

    One of the things that separates modern civilization from Darwin's Jungle, where only the strong survive is traditional liberalism. While many conservatives may not believe in the evolution of Darwin, they do have a belief, apparently in his Jungle and that it is fine and dandy, perhaps because it is a natural order. But then this seems to implicate that they don't see homo sapien sapiens as any higher than chimps, or any different.

    IMO, one of the most moral things ever to come from traditional liberalism is this idea of taxes being redistributed, in order to get away from the jungles of Darwin. And one of the most immoral things to come from conservatism, is conflating greed with caring for the low IQ or disabled poor, who will, as JC noted, will always be with us. So, using your argument, in your OP, this then must be the greed of conservatives, who have to be forced, by threat of punishment, in order to care for the low IQ poor, the old and aged, and the disabled. Using taxation. So a poor, false argument, like a double edged knife cuts both ways.

    IMO, and it is just an opinion, anyone who objects to being taxed in order to care for a nation's poor, and wants to only depend upon charity, upon charitable hearts(that have never been sufficient) is selfish greed, trying to find cover, by rationalizing it, which BTW looks like irrationality, with a foundation of simple human greed.
     
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    What a steaming pile of flame bait.
     
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    You cannot cite anything from the DNC remotely approximating your hyper-partisan fabrication. Why are you incapable of confronting reality - actual people and actual stated positions with which you disagree?

    You claim, "Liberals claim it is greed for a person that has worked very hard for his money, to keep his money and do with it what he wants..." but are unable to identify of whom you speak with anything whoever they are have actually said.
     
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    In other words, you have NOTHING.

    Good to see you admit that.

    Great "debating" skills.:roflol:
     
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    The DNC can't actually speak. It is an organization.
     
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    The same skills got Trump elected President. Don't knock the ability And ethics required to be able to make claims with absolutly no evidence.
     
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    [QUOTE="MAGA, post: 1069729392, member: 78951"

    That said, big government has destroyed millions of families by displacing the family and creating a permanent underclass. Or as Democrats call them, their base.[/QUOTE]


    Exactly how has big government displaced the family? Or to put in another way what role normally performed by the family has the government talen over?
     
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  19. MAGA

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    Keep patting yourself on the back if it makes losing less painful.
     
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    Government pays women to breed and pays then more to stay single, replacing the father with a government program.

    Government forces poor kids into failing schools by refusing to allow them to take a tax voucher to the school of their choice, thereby taking the parents decision away.

    Obamacare removes parental decisions about the healthcare of their children.

    That enough?
     
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    Do you have any that are true? Government pays women to breed? It is the government that tries to keep women from not breeding by fighting the morning after pill, sex education in school, abortion,
    Birth control, etc,etc. But if you can find a program that pays women to have children let us know. And supporting the children after they are born is not the same as paying them to have children.

    And where has the government stopped a poor kid from taking an available tax voucher to go to a school of their choice. And the whole Republican school voucher scam is just a way to duck actually doing what is required to make all publuc schools great.
     
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    Maybe you didn't know this... But government actually sends money to young women because they have children. It's an undeniable truth.

    School vouchers are loved by parents and hated by teachers unions everywhere they are tried.

    The core premis of Obamacare is to mandate government prescribed coverage regardless of the desire of the citizens.
     
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    You're slow off of the mark - or you're clueless.

    It's obvious the OP is speaking about the federal government
    Education is paid for with local taxes and therefore is subservient to local votes. Also, all working Americans pay separate FICA taxes.

    If you want socialism, move to Venezuala - I'm sure they'd listen to your drivel.
     
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    Well aren't you proud of yourself?
     
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    Well completing grade school and learning English was at least by the abilities demonstrated by some on this forum quite an accomplishment.

    Snark aside, it is pathetic that people feel free to make unsubstantiated claims and / or pretend that finding one person that says something demonstrates the actual position of an entire organization.
     

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