Rank the Amendments to the US constitution

Great
1. 14th- It gave us equal protection under the law and civil rights. Life would be absolute hell with out it.
2. 13th- Removed slavery nuff said.
3. 15th- Removed the race requirement to the vote
4. 19th- Removed the sex requirement to vote
5. 26th- Let 18 year olds vote resulting in the end of the draft
6. 24th- Removed poll tax letting poor people vote
Good
7. 18th- It criminalised alcohol and I hate drunks because they are the reason for 1/4th of car crashes, 1/2 of domestic violence cases, and just act stupid and loud.
8. 1st- It gives us all the basic freedoms of opinion and opposition to government.
9. 5th- We got Miranda from this.
10. 6th- Trial by jury
11. 7th- Trial by jury in civil cases (ROFLOL they didn't say tied to inflation on $20)
12. 8th- Protection from cruel or unusual punishment
13. 25th- Could and should be used against Trump
14. 23rd- Gave DC the vote for president
15. 11th- Prevents some red neck Texan from suing Liberal California over their gunz
16. 17th- Puts the senate in the hands of the people.
17. 20th- Moved the start of terms to January about damn time.
18. 16th- Gave us the money to pay for things. Yay for the income tax.
19. 10th- States rights nuff said, although kinda dead
20. 27th- Stops a greedy congress from raising pay instanty
Average
21. 12th- Fixed the election of the president.
22. 22nd- Its good when it stops more then 8 years of Reagan/Bush/Trump but bad when it limits people like Obama or other Liberals.
Bad
23. 9th- WTH? Just why it basically says you can do anything, but we con't codify it, but you know YOLO.
24. 4th- It leaves to many problems to keep people safe in the modern world
Terrible or pointless
25. 21st- It allowed people to get stupid and drunk again, federally.
26. 3rd- Pointless as duck. Yeah its number 3 and 90% of you still probably have to look up what it does, proof that the constitution was just a poorly thought out mess that was about, not being like England
27. 2nd- This is the single most ridiculous amendment in the constitution, it is the reason we can't get common sense gun legislation and why people are being shot at school, at the mall just in public by police, time and time again 33K deaths from guns and we can't get anything passed. This amendment just sucks

 

Worst:
1st Amendment.

Example: Trump

 

Maybe the Second Amendment should be repealed in high crime areas like Chicago, NYC and D.C. to test out whether that would reduce shootings? Then we would know for certain, right?

 

Without the second we wouldn't have any of the others.

So that would be the most important.

 

PLease note prohibition was repealed because it largely didn't prevent anyone from getting drunk and stupid and largely turned org crime into a multibillion dollar business.

 

That you don't include any of the bill of rights in the great category is telling.

The first is in another league compared to the rest. It is absolutely unique in its scope and use.

 

Lots of countries do not have a right to bear arms and have all those freedoms

 

The bill of rights did nothing to protect citizens from state abuse, the BOR only applied to the federal government. The 14,13 and the voting amendments are the ones that got progress on rights. The BOR was good only once it started applying to the states.

 

I emphatically disagree, incorporation has been an utter disaster. States should be able to pass gun regulation for instance.

The best constitution was the Articles of Confederation. A far more democratic, decentralised model of government. Without the Bill of rights the constitution is not at all a good document.

 

While I agree that some of the BOR like the 2A should never have applied to the states, I think what the 14A should have set the standard for states at is
1. You must enforce all laws equally
2. You must give due process
and
3. The 13th amendment applies to the states.

 

They are not America.

You can't compare us to Europe.

 

That's nice. They still have all the same freedoms we have and do not have a right to bear arms. That is a simple fact

 

I'm not a fan of the whole ratification process - ratification being an implied condition of military defeat. If they had refused to ratify the consequence almost certainly would have been the replacement of the legislatures by force.

That said, I'm not categorically opposed to these amendments as I am the 16th, 17th, pretty much everything done between 1910 and 1950.

 

Its a different culture and history over there.

They tend to rely on others that are next door to them rather then having to defend themselves.

This is such a long and complicated topic I have no desire to even get into the research for you.

Its my Friday and I have plenty of wine and a good buzz going on.

Nice to talk to you as always though Vegas.....hope you and yours are doing very well.

 

Here is the problem, that makes America continue to be worse off the Europe and all the other first world countries. We hold our constitution is to high of a position. The founders said they thought the constitution would last 10 years at max.

It was meant to be a quick fix to the AoC which is why it is so vague and full of half arse compromises that make no sense. What we need to do is, as a nation determine what is essential to life liberty and prosperity and clearly state it in a new federal constitution such as free healthcare and free college to name to. Fine tune the limits of the federal government on a long list of specifics and then clearly state that they are not to go further then that.

Then leave everything else to the states but make it clear that they must enforce and create laws that are applied equally to all persons. If not then it will be struck down but if so regardless of what LW or RW persons think it will stay up.

 

17th was a mistake. Afterwards, all branches pandered to the public and had to outdo each other with the handouts.

 

Have a good night

 

You probably are thinking of Saudi Arabia.

 

When people say they are against the 16th, I always remind them, you would not have the highways and road system, police, fire fighters, hospitals and public schools. As for the 17th, if they make sure corruption stops then 100% go back to the states picking them.

 

Good:
1 - Freedom of Speech and Religion That's why early settlers came here.
2 - RKBA Without it, government would do what it wanted and overrun the people. Just look at the 20th century.
4 - Unreasonable searches and seizures
5 - Due process, eminent domain, double jeopardy, self incrimination Good stuff
6 - Speedy jury trial, representation, etc..... Good stuff
8 - Prevents excessive fines and bail, cruel and unusual punishment Anything that prevents a government from steamrolling the public, I'm great with it.
10 - States rights Easily the most ignored Amendment in the Constitution. The feds have usurped way too much power and rendered the states impotent in arguing with them.
11 - Immunity from foreign powers or overreach of state governments
12 - VP selection - Probably prevented a lot of assasinations
13 - Abolish slavery Awesome. It even allows for working convicted felons. Underutilized, but good.
15 - Right to vote for all men Should have included women, but it was a good start.
19 - See 15
22 - Term limits are great. Too bad they didn't put term limits on Congress as well.

OK:
3 - Quartering soldiers It was an issue when fighting for independence, but I don't see it as a current issue. OK
9 - This may be a great amendment, but it's so non-descript that I don't understand it very well
14 - Defining citizenship is a great thing and this would be a great amendment, except that it is not well written and allows for anchor babies and has ambiguities concerning babies born to American parents in other countries.
20 - Changes inauguration date Potato. Potato.
18, 21 - Now irrelevant.
25 - Presidential succession It needs to be well defined. OK
26 - Voting age of 18 That's great, but either they are an adult or not. Any adult should be able to vote, drink, own property, be held accountable for crimes, and eligible to serve in the military. Pick the age and lets be consistent.
27 - Delays Congressional salary increases OK, but not enough

BAD:
16 - Income tax Taxes are a necessary thing, but the federal government should have no direct interaction with individuals unless they are federal employees or facing charges for a federal crime. Taxes should come from the states based on population and the states can levy taxes as proper. This would prevent CA from inviting in a million illegals to affect the vote because they would have to pay taxes for each person counted on the census. Or a federal sales tax with a federal balanced budget amendment would be nice. Per the 10th, the states can pick up the slack where the feds can't afford to overstep their boundaries.
17 - Selection of Senators - This is a power grab by the feds from the states. On the surface, it sounds good that "the people" directly elect senators, but we are seeing foreign money, nationwide money and money from other states being used to influence elections that are clearly to be an "in state" affair. Senators represent their STATE.
23 - Giving DC representation in Congress - I know people who live in DC deserve representation, but everything in DC is federal. It's like giving Washington a say in controlling Washington. It would be better to count the DC population with a neighboring state for representation.
24 - voting rights for tax deadbeats I don't see how any deadbeat should get to vote. I'm not for poll taxes, but if you can't pay your taxes you shouldn't get a vote on how my tax money is spent.

 

No. They have few freedoms. Not sure why you would go there

 

Well its also been the most copied government document in the world so they apparently got it right.

Its also served us very well since our inception.

Yes we do hold it to a very high standard and that's why it works.

Have you ever read the constitution of Russia?

Probably the damn best document on government in existence but they don't follow it at all.

Our document is essentially what makes our nation different from everyone else...the fact that we practice it on a daily basis.

 

I categorically oppose an income tax. All Federal tax should be requisitioned from the states, there should be no direct Federal taxes. The vast majority of the bureaucracy erected between 1910 and 1950 should be ended.

There is no reason why $500 gained from a consumption tax is less able to be spent on essential services than $500 gained from a Federal income tax.

Indeed quite the opposite, given states generally provide essential services you listed.

 

The income tax worked great before Reagan because it basically was used as an incentive for businesses to spend money on their workers and making the business grow rather then hording the money and having 91% go to the federal government.

What would you think about an income tax of 91% for businesses makings more then 10M net per year (after all expenses and employees paid) and a 50% for all million airs and 90% for all billion airs (Bill Gates and Warren Buffet asked for this) then a sales tax for everyone else of 5-10%?

The 16th amendment ended the gilded age, since before that big monopolies were literally sucking the economy dry of all its money and the vast majority of the population were industrial slaves.

 

worst:
5th amendment.

example: hillary.