I'm a progressive I'm also pro life, abortion rights are doomed, give up the fight.

Just because a zygote is a living thing - does not make the zygote a living human.

Glad you love how I know anti aborts will respond. As usual you commit an assumed premise fallacy by assuming that zygote is a baby.

Why is it so difficult for you to post on this issue without committing this fallacy ?

Murder = killing of a living human - you have not proven your claim that a zygote is a living human so you have no business claiming I support murder.

You did exactly what I said anti aborts almost always do. You failed to respond to the question = fail to back up your claim.

How is this cell (zygote) significantly different than other human cells (heart brain and so on) that we should claim one is a baby while the other is not

 

No idea what you are trying to say here. Your post makes no sense.

 

The constitution is the great failure of a compromise. It also does not mention privacy

 

You didn't do your research. One of those indicted companies is Concord Catering, it did not even exist at the time.

Mueller is a scam.

 

It does not use the word directly but it protects at least some forms of privacy indirectly - as do various court rulings. Protection against arbitrary search and seizure for example is a protection of privacy.

 

Privacy didn't exist back then like most other things. Including healthcare

 

Of course privacy existed "back then" - Regardless - privacy- at least according to some court rulings/some forms of privacy - is protected under the constitution.

Do you not think privacy should be protected ?

 

As to your knowing when things happened, I suggest you review post #123

 

Of course all those life long Republicans such as Mueller are out to get the Republican president.

 

STILL no answer to:

How will RvW be overturned?

And how will that stop abortion?

I don't think Anti-Choicers know those are pretty important questions so when they can't answer them except to scream, "MURRRRRRDER!" they really don't have a chance of taking away women's right to their own bodies.

 

By the 5-4 conservative court ruling that states have the right to ban abortion

It will become illegal in most of the country and the younger generations will not opt for dangerious get arounds

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
How will RvW be overturned?

Hilarious,...that will be by magic...or do they have a Secret Plan/Argument/Case/Facts that they have refused to use in the last 50 years !!!???


See, a Supreme Court ruling just can't overturned because you want it to be, one needs a REASON..and

NO ONE HAS GIVEN A REASON.....YOU certainly haven't.

HOW will making abortion illegal stop abortion ?....you still haven't answered that .

Every "younger generation" in history has used abortion...




So STILL unanswered:

How will RvW be overturned WITHOUT A CASE OR ARGUMENT ?

HOW will making abortion illegal stop abortion ?....

 

In your dreams

When it was illegal in Victoria Australia the illegal abortion clinics were run by organised crime

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertram_Wainer

Google Gosnell. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell

Lack of government oversight meant women died. Keeping abortion legal stops the Gosnells of the world operating death mills

 

Um a state ban abortion, some selfish person sues, the court rules 5-4 in the state favor, abortion is no longer protected federally, and the sanctity of human life prevails.

Gen Y and Gen Z our generations are the first to have info at our finger tips.
Some south east state bans abortion and a case is born
Making it illegal will make it harder to get and more risky and Gen Y/Gen Z will NEVER go though that risk again because we are the first educated generations. Unlike gen W/X

 

RvW has to be overturned first, it prevents states from banning abortion.

Yes, banning abortion will make it HARDER to get but NOT impossible to get.

Women have ALWAYS had abortion whether legal or not....and they will no matter what letters describe their generation.

And banning abortion will make it harder and more dangerous for women to have abortions


so obviously Anti-Choicers only care about the "sanctity" of life if it's in the womb.....



Bottom line: banning abortion will NOT stop abortion.



HOW will making abortion illegal stop abortion ?....you still haven't answered that .

 

Please for the sake of everyone in america who ever has to debate you, go learn civics, laws are in effect until a judge strikes them down its ducking basic civics, I guess you proved my point about gen X being uneducated though.

I'm not anti choice I am pro life and support all policies that make life better for everyone. Also I am going to laugh so hard when the number difference of risky illegal abortions between generations is so difference that it becomes a joke across the world "Gen X used coat hangers, Gen Y/Z used birth control and their brain"

Banning homicide will not stop murder, so we might as well make homicide legal Pro choice logic

People will just opt for tubes to be tied. Which I have seen a ton of people say they are going to do if the supreme court strikes down Roe v Wade again because they are smarter and know they were using abortions as birth control.

 

Ok and I know I have already posted this but abortion is illegal here and there are still pleanty of legal abortions carried out

I suggest you read up on sites other than so called pro life sites

 

The UK? no the UK purposefully put a clause in the law making the old version unenforceable so its different

 

Do you think the women of El Salvador who face a 50 year jail sentence do not know of the risks. Illegal abortions still occur. Especially in these days of reliable abortifacients

 

This from someone who didn't know abortion existed before the 20th century ? !!!

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Except women.
Having the right to your own body taken away is NOT going to make life better for "everyone"....maybe the self-righteous and sanctimonious but not everyone.

Now show proof that taking away women's right to their own bodies will improve or change, in any way, other's lives....

The number may be different(and it will be hard to tell because ILLEGAL abortions will NOT be recorded) BUT abortions won't stop and YOU just admitted it by referencing numbers

"Banning abortion will stop abortions"...Anti-Choice lack of logic.

AND having the right to your own body is NOT a crime...murder is.

Murder is a crime because it causes chaos in society, abortion does not.

Why should they? They may want a kid in the future.....

AND just try to get a doctor to sterilize a woman who hasn't had a kid....it isn't easy, sexism prevails.

Prove it.

So what?


You still haven't shown the case to overturn RvW and still haven't shown that making abortion illegal will end abortions.

 

Google

It is more than just a word

Legal abortions happen here in Qld, in NSW UK and every other country which has a clause allowing abortions in the case of maternal ill health.

and they happen in rates that rival the USA

 

Here this is a fabulous paper

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5473035/

If you are going to advocate for something it is wise to gather facts first

 

Abortions are falling out of favor anyway as Gen Y/Z are becoming more pro life and using birth control instead. If you use the Abortions per capital (not the per 1000 pregnancies which totally leaves out the progress made in preventative measures) You can see in 1978 1 out of every 92.5 women got an abortion every year. In 2017 only 1 in every 271 got an abortion every year.

 

Biput abortion will remain plan b because most of the affordable contraception is also unreliable

And where did you get the idea that the women having abortions were teens?