Elizabeth Warren releases DNA test with 'strong evidence' of Native American ancestry

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Setting aside that it is basically impossible to "cross check and verify" DNA ancestry results (because each DNA Ancestry company claims "trade secret" on their own methods and refuse to publicize that information in order to be peer reviewed), would you demand that Trump pay the 1$ million of his own money to a charity of her choice if she did?
     
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    If Elizabeth Warren submitted her DNA for analysis then there is no secret magical way to analyze her
    material. It is what it is and any competent geneticist can see what it is.
    This is all highly suspicious and not at all a settled matter until Warren lets third party scientists analyze her DNA.

    Did what?
     
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    While Warren was at U. Penn. Law School she put herself on the “Minority Law Teacher” list as Native American) in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools, and that Harvard Law School at one time promoted Warren as a Native American faculty member.
    Penn’s 2005 Minority Equity Report identified her as the recipient of a 1994 faculty award, listing her name in bold to signify that she was a minority.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elizabeth-warren-wealthy-native-american/
     
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    If she got it "confirmed."

    And yes, there is a "secret magical way" to analyze whether someone has Native American DNA. All of the companies use a highly secretive method of analyzing DNA to decide whether someone has a % of DNA match to some other group. And none of those groups are willing to release their methods to the public for peer-reviewed analysis.
     
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    I know the feeling. The more Yankees who move to Florida, the more Yankee Florida becomes ;-)
     
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    I just have to wonder why it took her so long to provide the DNA evidence.
     
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    If that's true, and only these few DNA matching companies can tell if Warren has Native American ancestry or not you might have a point.
    But it's not true and any competent geneticist can find that Native American DNA material in Warren's own sampling if it exists!

    You are dealing with science now. I've use these services myself. So has my brother and according to our differing ancestory matching
    businesses our genetic makeup varies between the two of us. How can that be?

    If Warren is truly confident of her heritage she will allow third party scientists access to her DNA. If not, then she is implicitly admitting
    she doesn't have any confidence in her own claims.

    Btw, before I forget...Carlos Bustamante is not an employee of any
    DNA analysis business and should have no "trade secrets" to worry about revealing.
    He's a Stanford professor. Think before you make absurd points that fall apart like tissue paper in water.
     
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    Why should Trump pay for something that has been show to be false? Warren has no Indian DNA
     
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    ...how has "it been shown to be false?"
     
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    While I don't think that Warren proved Native American status in the way most people would imagine. She did prove Native ancestry. So I think that Trump should bury the hatchet, apologize to Warren and give the million dollars to the National Indigenous Womens Resource Center. I think it would go a long way towards better relations.
     
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    Ridiculous.

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    "So the big news, other than antifa pretty much taking over the city of Portland while the mayor just sits there with his thumb up his butt, and Hillary openly calling for violence against her political enemies, is that Elizabeth 'Fauxcahontas' Warren has released the results of her DNA test, and, get this, her Amerindian DNA content is variously estimated at 1/64th, 1/512th, or 1/1024th of the total. That's some mighty small percentages, if you ask me. Of course historically, Democrats have used the one-drop rule to determine a person's racial identity, so she might as well see if she can cut herself a deal for some of that sweet, sweet casino money. But my question is, since progressives and the media (BIRM) now accept DNA results (no matter how infinitesimally small) to determine ethnic identity, how about we use a similar blood test to determine gender identity? Seems fair, right? After all, if there are 642 different genders (643 if you count the one with the chicken feathers and toilet plunger), we'd obviously need a lot of blood work done to make the final determination. But we could do it, and no more guessing. Because science."

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/377577.php#377577
     
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    Because we live in a new political world where this type of dumb **** actually needs to be addressed in order to have a real discussion about issues.
     
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    She can self identify!
     
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    It's not us claiming that racial preferences in hiring are necessary to right past wrongs. Yes or No, is 1/1024th enough to justify a racial preference in hiring?

    Correction: Elizabeth Warren might be as little as 1/1024th Native American

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    Authenticity.
     
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    Trump is the most transparent President we have had in a very long time. More so than Bush (x2) or Obama or Clinton or even Reagan. His tax returns are his business and morally or legally, they are his and his alone.
     
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    If you want to make the argument that 1/1024th is enough to justify racial preference in hiring, then you should make that argument.

    No one else has done so.
     
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    Trump is the first president to refuse to release his tax returns - EVER.

    But if you want to talk about his lack of transparency, let's do it. Who has access to Trump at Mar-a-lago?
     
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    Actually she self-identified and then was promoted as racial preference hiring and she claimed her dear mommy had to elope because she was a Cherokee.

    And why would anyone go to all the bother of seeking out a specialist from Stanford? Why wouldn’t you just go with Ancestry or 23 & Me like everyone else and use standardized testing? How about because Warren actually did one of those tests and it came up dry? She’s refused to answer the question before when reporters have asked if she did one.

    And this Carlos D. Bustamante isn’t actually a geneticist, according to his Stanford bio.

    What sort of test results is he providing? Warren’s chosen doctor should answer the question of what it means to say the evidence “strongly supports the existence” of a Native American ancestor, only narrowing it down to a span of four or more generations dating back to colonial times.

    When you go to a real DNA testing companies you get answers broken down by percentages and regions where your ancestors came from. Nothing is “suggested.”

    Elizabeth Warren grew up white, with all the privileges and benefits that go along with that, while suffering none of the challenges associated with growing up on the reservation and being perceived as a minority. Schools boasted about her ancestry in their staff listings and it’s a farce to suggest she didn’t use that to her benefit.

    https://hotair.com/archives/2018/10/15/okay-lets-talk-elizabeth-warrens-dna-test/
     
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    False. There was another candidate who didn't release his taxes. Go look it up.In fact, some candidates have released just a year or two, we have already seen a tax return from Trump where he paid $30 milllion to the Federal Gov't in taxes. Further more: Trump did release an extensive (and legally required) document detailing his personal financial holdings. :)

    Now, what do you want to know about Mar-a-lago? What does that have to do with a President being transparent?
     
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    The agenda of high spending, high taxation that has proven over the last two decades to generate absolutely minimal results? That agenda was thoroughly rejected in the 2016 elections, and the 2010 mid-terms and the 2014 mid-terms as well.
     
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    Is that what we are discussing in this thread?
    Can you give a good reason why Pocahontas shouldn't have to be transparent with her DNA crap?
     
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    There's never been actual support that she financially gained from her claims of ancestry. If you want to say she's a bit loopy, fine. So are those taking pride in their Southern "heritage."

    But there's no reason to lie.

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016...mp-still-not-right.html?gtm=bottom&gtm=bottom
     
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    Especially since she lied about it gain a $400K job from Harvard.
     

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