Saudis preparing to admit Jamal Khashoggi died during interrogation, sources say

I just PM'd a friend here and said "Which leftist is going to pull the "Obama's not in office so nothing he did ever mattered!" card.

Thank you for that.

The point is that your party is full of hypocrites. I have been proposing we cut ties with the KSA since 9/11. All ties. Our last few Presidents have disagreed including our current one.

But all of the sudden, this event that has absolutely nothing to do with us, happens, and the left is up in arms...?

Hmmm

 

Not to mention Iran wont mind having Yemen under their control.

 

Both sides are filled with hypocrites, so thats nothing new. And 9/11 wasnt a SA government job. It was a terrorist group.

 

I had no intention of paying you. I wanted to know what you think he SHOULD do.

 

They have been there since the beginning. That's where we have taken out heaps of high value targets, including Al Ansari.

 

That's BS and you know it. Their government funds these extremist groups. Hell, Yemen is a prime example of how they operate. They (government of KSA), and ISIS believe in Wahhabism. It's the same type of law that formed ISIS.

Once again, why are you JUST NOW outraged at KSA? This event in no way affected the United States of America.

 

You clearly know nothing about Yemen and politics there!

Here's a clue ISIS/AQ are Sunni
Here's another clue SA using US weapons to bomb Shia Yemenese civilians

 

fyi, in yemen it is more the houthis backed by iran an enemy of saudi arabia.

 

He could have suffered a heart attack or something like that while being questioned -- which could clear the Saudis of any wrong doing -- and hopefully lower gas prices a few cents, God willing.

 

We should be able to establish military bases back in Saudi Arabia dammit..

 

Insulting the poster is not how we do this.

Iran has political goals which revolve around hurting the US. They supercede ideological ones. The KSA has political goals which serve their ideological goals. We are all playing the enemy of your enemy is your friend, today. Today is not the day to take on all of Islam. So long as KSA obliterates this particular anti-American group we will look the other way while they obliterate the other anti-American group. Let them eat the heat. There is no better strategy for us to take. Life is hard. Feel free to go over there yourself and try reasoning with them.

 

Yeah, cause that makes it ok then right? Jebus.

This is unconscionable and rebukes are necessary. All world leaders should rebuke these actions by SA equally (which would remove SA's ability to focus it's retaliation on any single country).

I said this yesterday, but North America needs to build a coalition to relieve SA of it's ability to control world economy's based on its own whims. too much power to one nation over others.

 

Is this sarcasm?

 

That, my friend, is veeeery dangerous talk. This is the sort of idea that has built the justification of the muslims worlds rebuke of the US. We cannot simply go around changing such things. IMO we need to simply go along with the crowd, not lead it this time. That will not involve regime change, which is what changing economic rule over oil would require. They are our necessary shitty ally. As is Pakistan.

 

I don't know if that is necessary. If the US invited all of the non-opec members into a new oil organization, I think there would be interest and it could lead to change. The US is unique in the fact that its not the single biggest producer in the world, which means it has a lot of muscle. All it needs is the distribution network across NA, maybe into South America, and then utilize Britain and the European allies to help there.

I know it would take a LOT of time, energy, and work, but it would be doable.

 

Do you not want lower gas prices?

 

He was an intelligence agent, and that's a dangerous occupation, pretty damn fat and unhealthy looking.

If the Saudis killed Khashoggi, blame Obama

Blame Obama for giving the Saudis the idea that it's okay to covertly dispatch subversives.

President Barack Obama did it with drones. And he killed innocent civilians along the way.

Since 2009, the United States, in the conduct of U.S. counter terrorism operations against al-Qa'ida and its associated forces outside of areas of active hostilities, has specifically targeted and killed one U.S. citizen, Anwar al-Aulaqi. The United States is further aware of three other U.S. citizens who have been killed in such U.S. counter terrorism operations over that same time period: Samir Khan, 'Abd al-Rahman Anwar al-Aulaqi, and Jude Kenan Mohammed. These individuals were not specifically targeted by the United States.​

Nor were they suspected of terrorism. But wait: it gets better. The Obama administration drafted a 2010 legal memo justifying the targeting of an American citizen for death by drone strike. The author of the memo, David Barron, was later appointed a federal judge. The result?

Al-Awlaki's 16-year-old son, a U.S. citizen born in Denver, Colo., died Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen when, the Times wrote, "a missile apparently intended for an Egyptian Qaeda operative, Ibrahim al-Banna, hit a modest outdoor eating place in Shabwa. ... Banna was not there, and among about a dozen men killed was the young Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who had no connection to terrorism."​

So Al-Awlaki was a vocal opponent of the United States. Khashoggi was a vocal opponent of Saudi Arabia. Both used words, not weapons. Both were sanctioned for a hit. The only difference is that Obama took out dozens, including innocent children, while the Saudis took out only the one who was sanctioned.

President Trump should let this one go. Blame Obama for giving the Saudis the idea that it is okay to covertly dispatch subversives. Write a sternly worded letter of protest and keep the momentum for peace in the Middle East going forward. Anything else would be a victory for Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...lled_khashoggi_blame_obama.html#ixzz5U6yfyYqw

But let's from the self-righteous finger-wagging scoulds who were silent while Obama was burning the innocent alive with hellfire missiles.

 

This situation seems very much like the Skirpal poisoning in London, to me. We expelled 60 Russian diplomats when Skirpal was poisoned in London. Skirpal was Russian, living in the UK, killed by Russians… so that event had absolutely nothing to do with us either. This guy actually lived and worked in the US, so this event has more to do with us that the London poisoning did. The UK and Turkey, where this attack took place, are both part of NATO and Article 5 applies…. which is why we should respond to this event in some way.

 

All you have done here is made up stuff that has nothing to do with your claim that Saudi Arabia are attacking ISIS/AQ in Yemen. You then make the ridiculous claim that Iran are in Yemen in order to hurt the US! And then you get upset that I question your knowledge on Yemen. So in conclusion the US are supplying weapons to SA which are used to attack the Shia Houthis who are also being attacked by ISIS ie the US is supporting ISIS = you are 100% wrong. The US and SA are doing exactly the same in Syria

 

I also saw a report that Turkish investigators have found evidence at the consulate.

This is a tricky situation though. Maybe we should let SA and Iran fight it out without our help? The problem is, SA is where we buy our oil. I bet this goes away quietly.

 

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Excellent point.

 

and if Iran wins?

 

I consider you a friend. I would break bread with you, drink beer with you, allow you in my home, around my children. Oil is blood. Changing the arteries in which it flows means death on a scale no conscience can recognize. Since Kissinger we have been playing a slow game of chess with blood to obfuscate its spillage. What you suggest would address the overpopulation problem.

 

Thank you sir. I feel the same.

I agree to a point, but maybe it's the optimist in me that believes that .. Something should be done. Even between the US And Canada. We two countries should be energy independent from the world based on our mutual resources. Even starting with that would help in hte long run I believe.