Almost Half of U.S. Births Happen Outside Marriage, Signaling Cultural Shift

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  1. FoxHastings

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    Well, one tiny problem with that...there are as many parenting methods as there are parents......can't give a penalty to someone because we think their methods stink..


    I think that other poster was trying to say people who want 2nd divorces should be shunned....but I have no idea how they think that crap would work. That poster claims they don't want to force anyone to do anything but then seems to want a 2nd divorce to be illegal....I don't know, it was kind of a mish mosh..


    How much time do you have for "shunning"....me? I'm way too busy...;)
     
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    They have no solution, -just complaints and accusation. But it is, I think, common knowledge that a degeneration of politics, culture, ethics, and morals precede the ultimate collapse of a society, and I do think ours is collapsing as capitalism fails in a worsening series of crises.
     
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    Shunning is so very time consuming. My shame bell is out of tune and I'm all out of that red fabric you need for the scarlet letter. And I wasn't talking about bad parents...I'm talking about parents who literally haven't spent any time with or money on their children. So all this unpaid CS and all the people who just take off and make excuses not to spend any time with their kids...lets appoint a task force. We can call it the "War on Crap Parents".
     
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    Advocate=force????? I suggest you look up their meanings. Care to refute the statistics on single parent households instead of being rude and condescending?

    Lol you bring up forced marriage so much is it a Freudian slip???????

    So far your given no facts or statistics and purposely misrepresented things
     
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    Well, as I said above, it is, I think, common knowledge that a degeneration of politics, culture, ethics, and morals precede the ultimate collapse of a society, and I do think ours is collapsing as capitalism fails in a worsening series of crises, and this is another example. With wages being so far behind inflation and single-parent families becoming more and more common, it's pretty damned hard for many parents to get the time or money they need to be spending on their kids.
     
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    Do these statistics instill hope?? Why do you parrot abuse claims over and over?
     
  7. LibChik

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    I would argue that no one ever really stopped advocating marriage. However, the reality is that marriage doesn't work for a lot of people...particularly young people. I have young adult kids and they have zero interest in getting married...for them, its an outdated concept and it doesn't fit with their life goals. I'm not sure why I would tell them to get married to when they clearly have no interest....the last thing I would want is to pressure them into doing something which would make them unhappy. Marriage isn't for everyone...it takes commitment and if you don't want to invest that, I'm all for people making the decision not to do it. I guarantee you that marriage rates will continue to drop.
     
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    Lol hang up on a word because you have no agruement...

    A HEALTHY SOCIETY (look up the definition if you aren’t sure) SHOULD HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK AFTER ITS MOST VULNERABLE MEMBERS. THE MOST VULNERABLE MEMBERS BEING YOUNG AND OLD. CHILDREN FROM SINGLE PARENT HOUSEHOLDS STATISTICALLY ARE MORE INCLINED TO DO MUCH MORE POORLY THSN THOSE FROM DUAL PARENT HOUSEHOLDS. It’s telling that you aren’t concerned about children which are the future of society
     
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    My political views are always pro-worker for that exact reason. I'm more concerned about financial fairness and living in a country that more evenly distributes wealth to working people and doesn't have in concentrated in a tiny percentage of the population than I am about advocating marriage. Social norms change...always have, always will...and there's no doubt that those changes present challenges. But what's going on with the distribution of wealth in the country needs immediate remedy. People that work for a living should be fairly compensated and should be able to have a decent standard of living.
     
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    And NO answers to the post of mine that was quoted:



    FoxHastings said:
    Again, what's your solution?

    Forced marriages?

    Make divorce illegal?

    Preaching on street corners?

    FORCING people to listen to your advice?










    Oh, gosh, another one who doesn't seem to know what those squiggly things are at the end of sentences!

    Those mean the sentence is a question. Do you know what a question is?

    However to answer you, in your next paragraph you advocate for forcing people to stay married.






    Not sure what "shun" means in this context but it sure looks like you want to force people to stay married.




    OK, you have two more to go:

    Preaching on street corners?

    FORCING people to listen to your advice?







    You look up what the little squiggly things at the end of sentences are first...

    ...and maybe explain this word salad:

    """ SOCIETY ON ITS OWN NEEDS TO RESEARCH THE STATISTICS OF SINGLE PARENT HOUSEHOLDS FAILURE RATES OF SECOND DIVORCE AND DO THE RIGHT THING AND SHUN THESE DIVORCE FOR THE CHILDRENS SAKE"""



    Uh, you seem to want someone forced to marry you.....and forced to stay with you.....maybe you don't really want to get into Freud... ;)


    So far you haven't given a coherent answer to my questions.
     
  11. LibChik

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    But marriage isn't necessarily the way to fix this. There are other ways that are geared around income equality which are much easier to fix. First, fair wages for working people....social safety nets that workers pay into for the elderly (which include provisions for home care)...healthcare for all...etc. The first step to healthy families is financial fairness for working people who are raising children. This would benefit even married people who right now are working too many hours to make a decent living and not having enough time with their kids.
     
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    I agree shockingly enough all I’m saying is imo society quit saying that it’s bad to get divorce which based on statistics for the children it is bad. Children our the future of society parents should be giving them every opportunity to succeed and frankly as a parent myself my children’s wants and needs come before mine. I realize that society isn’t like that anymore which is why I also said with things being the way they are I wouldn’t adovacate any male marrying and having children
     
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    Where did I say it arises from the paper? It comes from the attitude of those prepared to take that extra step.
     
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    Gosh ... so much wrong with this. If you can't afford kids, don't have 'em. If you can't fund yourself in old age, you've failed (IOW, make sure you can!). Universal healthcare is a must, I do agree with that.
     
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    If you need that for a commitment that is pretty sad
     
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    Not nearly as important to liberals

    And meanwhile we see more mass murders and sexual freaks with each generation
     
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    True, the way to fix the problem is that 2 consenting adults that have children should be able to raise and support them financially. If you don't make enough money to support yourself and a household with a child, you shouldn't be having children. Period.
     
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    I totally understand your point. And there is no doubt that there are issues with the decreasing marriage rates in the country. However, the news really isn't all negative and its reflective with the problems inherent with marriage as an institution. Part of what is happening is a shift to more women getting educated and entering the work force. Its good but it comes with societal norms changing which will cause extreme shake-ups to family structure and economic power. How we deal with these issues is complex...but, in my opinion, advocating that everyone just get married and shunning people that don't a) won't work and b) is counter-productive. I certainly don't have all the answers to fixing these issues...but unlike some of the posters here, I like the direction marriage is moving in...its needs radical change and has for a long time. It just doesn't work for many people.

    And as for males marrying, I agree. I loathe the alimony laws...I think they're ridiculous and I also think (and yes, I'm a feminist) that child custody laws are unfair against men. Both parents should have their own money, support themselves and have fair and equal access to their children in the event of a divorce (unless there are extreme circumstances...ie, child abuse). If I was a male, I probably wouldn't marry...and frankly, I'm not so sure I would have, as a female, if I hadn't met the perfect man. My husband is literally perfect. I have a lot of friends and when they tell me about their marriages, I just cringe.

    Anyway, first step...economic equity for working people.
     
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    Uh no...it hasn't nothing to do with political persuasion. It has to do with age...younger people are marrying much later if they marry at all.
     
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    shun
    /SHən/
    verb persistently avoid, ignore, or reject (someone or something) through antipathy or caution.

    So here are some facts on single parent households

    “The main cause of single parent families are high rates of divorce and non-marital childbearing. According to Blankenhorn 1995,[36] Fagan 1999,[37] Pearlstein 2011,[38]Popenoe 2009[39] and Whitehead 1997[40] researches, single parent family is strongly correlated with school failure and problems of delinquency, drug use, teenage pregnancies, poverty, and welfare dependency in American society. Using multilevel modeling, Pong 1997 and Pong 1998 high proportions of children from single parent families perform very poorly on math and reading achievement tests in schools.”

    Does that sound promising for society as a whole? Here’s another fact

    “According to Child Trends, 2013 only 9% of children lived with single parents in the 1960s—a figure that increased to 28% in 2012.”

    So society shouldn’t reject ignore avoid this outcome? Ok
     
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    I totally agree with this. The only qualification I would give is that we need income equality. If you're working a full-time job, you should be making enough money to put a basic roof over your head and feed yourself. Maybe not a downtown loft with steaks every night...but a decent roof and a decent meal. There are far too many working poor and its getting worse. The income distribution in America is sickening and its getting worse.
     
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    True

    Conservatives fall prey to the liberal culture also

    Just not so many as the liberals themselves
     
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    Even if the worker is just pushing a broom and reads at a sixth grade level?

    The streets are full of illegal aliens who will be happy to do that job for even less
     
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    Again, it has zero to do with "liberal culture". If you're just going to post nonsensical troll bait I'm not going to bother to respond to you anymore. Intellectual laziness is a waste of time. The issue is surrounding changing gender roles regarding economic status and marriage as an institution.
     
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    Yes, janitors provide an essential service and should be able to sleep and eat if they're working full-time. I've spoken to a lot of building cleaners and they work hard as hell. As for the illegal alien comment, just more bait and not worth my time.
     

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