Pat Robertson defends the Saudis again: ‘Not worth losing $100 billion in arms sales’ over a murdere

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  1. PeterS

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    So one of the leading Evangelical Conservatives is putting money above the moral center of our country. Somehow I have to wonder if that's what he would say if Obama was still president.

    http://deadstate.org/pat-robertson-...685uU04xUQa-h1JRnIWIBjRFVqlaGR-N4F5L2DhMZILtc

    As news swirled early this week that the Saudi government was gearing up to claim they ‘accidentally’ killed journalist Jamal Khashoggi, Christian televangelist and founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network Pat Robertson defended the Saudis, even suggesting that if they truly murdered Khashoggi, it shouldn’t affect Saudi Arabia’s relationship with the United States.

    On this Monday’s edition of the 700 Club, Robertson called Prince Mohammad Bin Salman‘s Wahhabi brand of Islam and his history of human rights abuses “obnoxious,” but didn’t think it was a good enough reason to jeopardize relations with the kingdom.

    “I just want to cool down the temper of those who are screaming blood for the Saudis,” Robertson said in a video flagged by Right Wing Watch. “Look, these people are key allies. Our main enemy in the Middle East is Iran, and the Saudis stand up against Iran.
     
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    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    That's one side of the story that is only now becoming clear to most Americans ... but that's been going on in the world for decades.

    The other side is the hypocrisy of the US ... because if it happens in a hostile country, then the US is the moralist and prosecutor!
     
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    The Don Well-Known Member

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    At least that's a refreshingly honest opinion. Almost all countries and people are prepared to behave hypocritically and to pretend otherwise is to drink one's own Kool-aid.

    If the US were to come straight out and say that maintaining an important Middle-Eastern ally was far more important than the life of a single journalist who isn't even an American citizen then at least that would have the benefit of being the truth. Any country that's willing to risk a strategic alliance over a single individual is foolish IMO. Whether Saudi Arabia is a country you want to have an alliance with is another matter entirely.

    Instead, what we get is a wailing and gnashing of teeth. Maybe the US, UK and other countries are really ticked off that this has happened but IMO it's more about the optics than it actually is about the life of one journalist.
     
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    The only problem I have here at the core is when the US then plays the moralist elsewhere and in countries that are "hostile" for the US.

    If the same thing happened to an Iranian oppositional journalist, the US would stay out of it and not play the moral prosecutor and let go of a **** storm on Theran ... OK.
    But you, me and everybody here know that the US would not keep quiet here and that's the problem!
    Either the US is generally a moral instance of friend and foe, or they should generally keep out of friend and foe ... everything else is sanctimonious and makes the US implausible!
     
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    Pat Robertson defends the Saudis again: ‘Not worth losing $100 billion in arms sales’ over a murder
    What kind of Christian defends profit over the life of a human being? What kind of Christian defends the sale of armaments for war over the murder of an innocent human being? What kind of Christian defends this well known Christian leader when he's making public statements that are totally in conflict with the teachings of Christ? Pat Robertson has successfully removed all vestiges of Jesus from his version of Christianity. Anyone listening to Pat or following or supporting him should take that into consideration.
     
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    A so-called Christian condoning murder....sad.
     
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    And Christ ascended the Mount and proclaimed, “Kill the journalists, slam their bodies upon the ground so that ye might place extra silver coins in thy pocket...”

    Whatever.
     
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    That makes it even sadder that Robertson still has followers.
     
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    Perhaps the US has chosen the wrong ally between Saudi Arabia and Iran?
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Both are "wrong" for many of the same reasons. It's just increasingly absurd to support one vehemently while condemning and sanctioning the other.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    My sentiments exactly.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    “Remember that ‘Thou Shalt Not Murder’ thing I once said? I meant that .” — God

    Pat Robertson is condoning murder for love of money. He’s the definition of Biblical evil.
     
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    Just more right wing make believe Christian values at work here folks!!
     
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    Many refer to Khashoggi like he was some kind of saint or patriot or something. He was the face and voice of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is an enemy to Democracy, our Constitution and to freedom. Apparently he broke too many rules of the Saudi inner circle and became a serious threat. So they executed him. So what? How does that change anything?
     
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    Where do you find that?
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Didn't Trump say that at a rally?

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    Last I checked, Trump isn't Christ.
     
  18. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Agreed, he isn't but try telling him..or his fans that. :)

    Who said this? "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"
     
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    The RW christian. Many prefer profit over life. They prefer party over values.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Nah, SA has more oil. The real religion of our world.
     
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    So, he deserved to be killed. Does everyone you don't like deserve to be killed?

    As for MB:
    Yes, Jamal Khashoggi had many friends among the Muslim Brotherhood and, as his colleague David Ignatius reporteddays after his disappearance, had joined the movement himself as a young man before apparently shifting away from it later in his career.
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...oggi-the-muslim-brotherhood-and-saudi-arabia/

    Hardly the face of it as you claim.
     
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    He makes total sense and understands that Saudi Arabia is, at this time, key to our national security. We have a long history with them...even with all their huge amount of flaws. To flippently destroy our allience and put our country at risk would be irresponsible to our citizens. Nothing unchristian about realizing that and protecting our citizens..
     
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    So tell us, how do you think Hillary Clinton would have handled this if she was in the White House?

    (And she was in the White House for 8 years as a Secretary of State very active in foreign affairs so we don't really have to make an uneducated guess)
     
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    I wasn't aware that SecState occupied the WH and I also wasn't aware that Jan 2009-Feb 2013 equalled 8 years. An all in the one sentence. Oh dear.

    Based on that I think we can ignore any opinion you have about what she might or might not have done as POTUS.
     
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    WRONG:
    The U.S. is wrong about the Muslim Brotherhood — and the Arab world is suffering for it: by Jamal Khashoggi 8/28/2018
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-is-suffering-for-it/?utm_term=.705707bf19ad

    And a defender of HAMAS, another designated terrorist group: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...-occupation-and-the-resistance-for-beginners/ By Jamal Khashoggi 7/20/2014
    PS: I didn't say he deserved to be killed. I intended that it is not a matter for the USA. It is not our business to any great degree.
     
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