Almost Half of U.S. Births Happen Outside Marriage, Signaling Cultural Shift

You now want to protect rights? Since when?

 

Yeah, definitely due to the decline of marriage. Clearly not at all related to the War on Drugs or the growth of private prisons...

 

Pass a law when a man is proven to be a babies daddy immediately make them common law married until the child is twenty one or is deceased before then and ban divorce until then and if they have multiple babies with other partners it should be bigamy and toss them into prison. That should keep these low morals persons under control and in their pants. We can exclude incest and rape victims who report the crime of course.

 

You love America? Since when?

 

Children, especially boys, who are raised without a stable relationship with an adult male have a greater tendency to have problems later in life. This relationship is likely to be more enduring if the adult male is the biological father.

This tendency towards problems is less true for boys from middle class, educated, homes. The further down you go on the socio-economic scale, the worse the problems are. Perhaps this explains in part the social conservatism of working class people: for them, sex outside marriage and drugs have a different impact than it has on, say, college kids.

However, this shift cannot be changed significantly by state action. Easy divorce is here to stay, sex outside marriage is here to stay, full-time careers for women are here to stay. Nothing will change this.

There may be innovative things the state can do to help substitute for a father -- perhaps serious encouragement of organizations for boys, like the Cub Scouts. Other countries have quasi- or pre-military voluntary organizations for young people, which might help.

But basically, here is a downside of modernity.

 

Yes. The progressive destruction of the family, as the foundation of civilization is being destroyed. Progressivism, the worship of govt, and Marxist collectivism undermine the traditional family, which has stood for millennia as the Basis of a successful society.

The transition is nearly complete. The nuclear family is an archaic oddity, and govt is worshipped like a god.

Welcome to Progresso world.

 

Women have the right to say whether they walk away from parenthood (abortion) men should be afforded the same rights.

 

No seriously, no person can dispute my love is for America just not all the smarmy politicians who want to destroy the constitution. But since when have you wanted to uphold rights? You fight the second amendment like there is no tomorrow.

 

For what it's worth, strengthening the family in various ways was always a central concern of Communist countries, while they also made/make great efforts to inculcate loyalty to the state above everything. They knew -- just common sense -- that strong families mean a strong society and a strong state, and boy did they want a strong state.

 

They have the same rights....they can get an abortion whenever they want.

Do you think it's fair that only women have to be pregnant? See, it starts out pretty unfair.....

 

Definitely not. See the definitive protest against this outrage here.

 

Both sex have the same ability to abort a baby? No if a woman wants an abortion of their shared baby she can do that regardless of what the man wants because it’s inside her body. Men should be able to financially abort the child as well because the finances are produced from the labors of his body. I’m fine with abortion as along as it’s equal to both sexes. I thought equality was in?

 

“Whether a male has a legal right to advance his personal interest, whether it be toward abortion, fatherhood, or adoption, over that of the female, differs by region.

In 2011, it was reported that Indonesia, Malawi, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Equatorial Guinea, Kuwait, Maldives, Morocco, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Taiwanand Turkey all had laws which required that an abortion first be authorized by the woman's husband.[5] However, in some countries, this stipulation could be bypassed or overridden if there is genuine concern for maternal health.[6]

Since Roe v. Wade, some states in the United States have attempted to enact laws requiring spousal consent. All of these laws have been ruled unconstitutional, spousal consent in the 1976 decision Planned Parenthood v. Danforth and spousal awareness in the 1992 decision Planned Parenthood v. Casey[7]”

It’s patently false that men and women have the same rights regarding abortion. Abortion is law so I go with law but another law needs enacted that allows men to financially and legally “abort” as well

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
They have the same rights....they can get an abortion whenever they want.

Do you think it's fair that only women have to be pregnant? See, it starts out pretty unfair.....

No, but they both have the same right to their own bodies, to abortion, so if a man got pregnant he has a right to an abortion.

So call your congressperson and let them know ….

One problem is that once a child is born, it's a legal human person and the father is responsible for the CHILD...as is the woman so that's equal.

As I showed you, it is.

Oh, it won't be equal until men can be pregnant...you seem to forget that "little" inequality...

 

What did you refute in the post you quoted:
FoxHastings said: ↑
They have the same rights....they can get an abortion whenever they want...if THEY are the one who is pregnant.


Do you think it's fair that only women have to be pregnant? See, it starts out pretty unfair.....



What was that crap about women needing permission from their owner to get an abortion? Oh, ya, it was crap. Thank goodness for the Constitution or we'd have slavery back...

 

“ if women’s partial responsibility for pregnancy does not obligate them to support a fetus, then men’s partial responsibility for pregnancy does not obligate them to support a resulting child.”

— Elizabeth Brake in the Journal of Applied Philosophy, 2005[10]

People with your regressive thinking is exactly why young men need to not have children.

Do I think it’s fair that women only have to be pregnant?

The act of sex is equally their responsibility also the potential consequences. You act like they tripped and fell pregnant.

the decision of abortion of a child that is 50% mans is 100% a woman's decision. Yes it resides in the woman’s body but that doesn’t negate the fact that it is his child just as much as hers. if it wasn’t just as much his child why would he be responsible to financially support it should she keep it?

 

what? a good attitude?

interesting

 

Here's a few ideas. If you don't like the salary your job attracts, train for a better one. Or reduce your expenditure. Or live with family to cut costs. You chose that 'career', so why complain about it later?

 

No one in America is involuntarily unable to sleep and eat. You're talking about people who choose to spend what little money they have unwisely. They are not the topic of this debate (I hope).

 

Bereavement is not the same thing AT ALL. And I'm sure you know this.

No message was sent to her children that Mom & Dad couldn't grow up enough to get over themselves. No message was sent which told the kids they weren't worth the effort (of staying married).

 

Poor Lizzy, doesn't know the difference between a fetus and a child...

What's that crap about a woman's "partial" responsibility ? She is the ONLY one pregnant, it's all her responsibility.

With each of your little childish insults I am more frimly convinced you know you have a crap argument, it's the sign of desperation

So you do or don't think it's fair that only women have to be pregnant?

It will only be as equal as you want IF men can get pregnant...

No, the fetus is 100% hers....so the decision is 100% hers.

The fetus is 100% hers ……... the child is 50% his. He has NO control over it, does nothing for it, it not in HIS body.

It's 50% his CHILD...….and just like women must support their children so do men....didn't you want equality???


Looks like Lizzy isn't the only confused one.

 

And it's that way in divorce also....why do you insist all divorced people are horrible monsters....that's 50% of marriages....all those people aren't the "Devils From Hell" that you wish to portray them as...


My point was single people can be quite successful at raising kids and you could NOT dispute that..

 

It’s only her responsibility huh then why is the man financially responsible?

You literally were insinuating I didn’t know what question marks were. Ok

The fetus is 100% hers yet is made up of dna of him too

For him to be financially responsible the government has control of his body making him use it to work

I want equal reproductive rights

Yes I’m sure the woman isn’t qualified to give that opinion

 

Yes my insults are childish. You made up scenarios cussed and insinuated that I don’t know what question marks are. Funnily enough I’ve had productive exchanges with mutilple people with different points of view except you.