How you are being robbed of your right to vote fairly

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Better? Howzzat?

    Because some have a much higher salary than others because they could not afford the minimum requirement of an advanced post-secondary degree.

    Because such a degree costs $12K a year (at a state school) and they don't have the funds to pay that amount? They don't have the money because even with a university grant they cannot afford to go through postsecondary schooling.

    Just who are you kidding ... ?
     
  2. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not at all?

    If you had taken a lesson in American history, you would know that EC is there simply because the southern states - with lesser population than the northern states - required it as a condition for signing the original constitutional document. Amendment 12 (passed in 1812) later formalized the Electoral College, and since it has been around for 200 years people like you think it is "normal".

    The EC is a travesty of electoral fairness* because ONLY the simple popular-vote in any True Democracy decides the election of any Head of state anywhere in the world except the US ... !

    *Five times in our history it has elected the LOSER of the popular-vote, the last and worst being Donald Dork.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The US was never and will never be a 'true democracy' we are a representative republic. Not sure how you don't know that...
     
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    I've lived in Florida all my life, and never had a problem voting. Currently we have three ways to vote. We can mail in our vote. Or we can vote early at any one of several places. Or we can vote on election day. That's about a month of opportunities to vote in one election. For ID, all I've ever needed is my drivers license and voter ID card which is equally easy to get. Easy peezy. The only hiccup legal wise, was a number of years ago, I needed a copy of my birth certificate to get my drivers license. After that, it has just been a matter of renewing it.(no more proof)
     
  5. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You don't even know that words republic and democracy are synonymous. There is only a subtle difference between the two words, the former of them meaning that representatives are chosen by the people and the latter being any country that has popular-voting to elect representatives (and no aristocracy that selects and names them to various public institutions).

    The former definition (republic) prevalent in the 18th century, which is why democracy was not the preferred word and republic was because the accent was upon the popular-vote of representatives.

    All of which makes no difference whatsoever. What is key is the fact that Electoral College and Gerrymandering are illicit manipulations of the popular-vote and should not have any part whatsoever in any true republic/democracy ...
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, republic and democracy are not synonymous. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Good bye...
     
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    I realize you want cradle to grave involvement in peoples' welfare. That is socialism and it has failed every time it has been tried. I once had an employee. She was a black woman who was raised in abject poverty in a famous public housing project in Chicago. When I hired her she had a masters degree in mechanical engineering. How did that happen? Grit, intelligence and will to do better. Government was involved at all. Everyone can succeed in this country. They have to want to and they have to do what is necessary to get there. Root for personal responsibility not government. Government normally makes things worse.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    Not in the United States. Are you a US citizen?
     
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    Ahhhh the Constitution doesn't even require a citizen vote to choose the President. Are you a US citizen?
     
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    I earn way above average and have no post-secondary degree. Not required.
     
  11. Kode

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    So if the excessive incomes of the uber rich were more fairly distributed, the rest of us would suffer lower incomes? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    So what's your point? Are you saying that anyone can do what you did? If so, can you say why they don't do as you did WITHOUT demeaning whole swaths of the population?
     
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    Uhh.... that's the problem under discussion.

    LafayetteBis is a Brit I believe.
     
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    Gerrymandering

    Voter suppression:
    • exact match signature requirements
    • matching names in two different locations, often different STATES
    • refusal to count provisional ballots
    • moving polling locations at the last minute
    • announcing false voting date AFTER the real one
    • inadequate voting machines and locations for large populations of minorities and democrats leading to hours-long waits in lines
    • invitation to Russia to influence voting
    • lack of paper trail to prove honest counting
    • etc.

    ALL are only Republican tricks and cheats. They seem to know they could not win a fair election.
     
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    Claims of voter fraud are false. The actual rate of intentional voter fraud runs less than 25 in TEN THOUSAND or 0.0025%. Most claims of voter fraud by the right are actually problems with transcription by election officials, errors in copying, simple mistakes by voters who have no intention nor attempts to vote more than once, and voter registration errors and crimes not made by the voter but by those registering them.
     
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    I don't speak for them and yes anyone can do what I did, wasn't anything particularly special about it other than I have always been a good productive worker and was willing to take risk with my career. It doesn't require a post-secondary education.
     
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    Will you stop with the strawman that a little voter fraud is OK and that it would take THOUSANDS of fraudulent votes to throw an election.
     
  18. Kode

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    It's not a strawman. It's a fact that fraud of 0.0025% will make no difference and isn't worth throwing thousands of legitimate voters off voter roles in order to ensure Republicans win every election.
     
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    More bullshat.

    I want people to HAVE A CHANCE. I believe firmly that we - each individual - should all do as well as they possibly can. But not more because they got lucky and hit the jackpot in a market-economy.

    Yes, one that allows you to live well. But not make exaggerated incomes so you can make the front page of Forbes Magazine. Because, you do not deserve such acclaim!

    And a nation should never allow anyone to bestow those ill-got gains upon either their offspring or friends just because they WANT IT THAT WAY. No way, José!

    And why? Because the money you have obtained by means of the ill-gotten gains obtained far-too-low taxation that should be confiscated at death. You should NEVER EVER be allowed to transfer them to your family.

    Give it to good-cause, yes, but never ever to those who did not earn it ... !

    And of the rest of your post is also drivel.

    You haven't the faintest idea of what Socialism is - not even the fact that it NO LONGER EXISTS in any country on earth. (Except perhaps North Korea.)

    Your ignorance of the factual evidence is showing ...
     
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    Yes it a strawman, fraudulent voting does not have to be rampant to throw an election as has been noted over and over.
     
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    It is statistically insignificant. Do you understand the term "statistically insignificant"?
     
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    Yes do you understand that fraudulent voting can be "statistically insignificant" and still change the outcome of an election?
     
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    Bunk and you know it. Here are the studies:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-billion-ballots-cast/?utm_term=.760ad11d0395

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...merica-low-turnout-is/?utm_term=.a38aae56a5ae

    https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud

    http://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/analysis-noncitizen-voting-vanishingly-rare
     

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