An extremely important question for the President

Saudi Arabia confirmed on Saturday for the first time that Jamal Khashoggi died in the kingdom's consulate in Istanbul earlier this month, claiming that The Washington Post columnist‘s death came after an argument and a "fist fight" with men in the facility.

Trump appeared to agree with this remarkable scenario, but with his usual caveat. "I do. I do," Trump said when asked about his confidence with this explanation

Referring to the arrests and the dismissal of top level Saudis close to the crown prince, Trump said, "Again, it’s early. We haven’t finished our review, our investigation. But I think it’s a very important first step." That is code for agreeing with the crown prince that he should avoid taking responsibility.

Okay, so Trump is satisfied with the unlikely story of the Post's reporter's demise and the steps taken so far by the Saudi government. Trump is also in agreement with the one month delay in submitting the report the Saudis have promised.

With all that as a backdrop, there is a very important question Trump is avoiding.

The Saudis are claiming the Post reporter got in a fist fight with his interrogators and was killed in the Saudi consulate.

Where is the body?

 

Saudi Arabia confirmed on Saturday for the first time that Jamal Khashoggi died in the kingdom's consulate in Istanbul earlier this month, claiming that The Washington Post columnist‘s death came after an argument and a "fist fight" with men in the facility.

The Saudis have set up a commission that will investigate the death and will have one month to release a report, state TV said The commission will consist of national security officials, the foreign ministry and the interior ministry.

The search for those willing to fall on their swords for the king while relieving the crown prince of responsibility commenced.

In the meantime, The Saudi government said it fired five top officials and arrested 18 other Saudis as a result of the initial investigation. Those fired included Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s adviser Saud al-Qahtani and deputy intelligence chief Maj. Gen. Ahmed al-Assiri. Al-Qahtani was relieved from his duties as Royal Court Consultant.

A separate statement from Saudi media included the names of other officers relieved of their duties by Saudi King Salman also by Royal Court Order. The statement didn't mention the Jamal Khashoggi investigation but was released among a series of announcements relating to the investigation by the Saudi Press Agency.

"The names in the statement are:

• Intelligence chief assistant for intelligence affairs -- Mohamed bin Saleh Al-Ramih
• Intelligence chief assistant for human resources -- Abdullah bin Khalifa Al-Shayee
• Head of the general department for security and protection at the intelligence presidency -- Rashad bin Hamed Al-Mohammady"

What is Trump's reaction to all this? "I do. I do," Trump said when asked about his confidence in the explanation, which claims Khashoggi died in a fist fight at the country's consulate in Istanbul.

"Again, it’s early. We haven’t finished our review, our investigation. But I think it’s a very important first step," he added.

Here's hoping Trump finishes his review before the crown prince dies of old age.

Trump offered a positive initial reaction to news that Saudi Arabia identified who they say were responsible for the death of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. "I just saw it," Trump said. "I think it’s a good first step. It’s a big step. It’s a lot of people involved."

"It's early," he said later. "We haven't finished our review."

In the meantime, the crown prince is thinking of making Trump their lead P.R. man in the U.S.

 

Nobody has of yet explained why RINOs and their political allies, our leftists, care when under Obama this wouldn't have been anything more than news filler between cheering for Obama's apology tours. Oh snap! it's politics. It is absolutely nothing more than RINO and leftist politics. Sweet!

 

Concern over anything Trump is what this gibberish is all about. People are killed or go missing in that shithole called the mid east literally every day. Apparently Butthurt lasts forever.
#i am a democrat just not a Hillary Democrat.

 

The lid is yet to come off. The Saudis are slow in the logic department but any day now, they will figure out the Turks got the sound recording of the torture because Turkey bugged their embassy. Once the Saudis wake up the Turks might just figure, "What the hell" and lay the tape on the Internet.

Habeas corpus (where is the body) will be a little harder to navigate after that little chestnut drops. Trump is, of course, complicit in all this with his covering fire for his Arab investors. Is this the October surprise? Not yet. Wait for that chestnut to drop.

 

I can't believe it. Well, yes, in a way I can. Right from the get go you bring up a President we haven't had in 20 months. You do this to distract from today's issues that involve our current President.

This is actually quite comical and you are admitting a weakness as a Trump supporter. The last person you want to talk about is Trump.

The problem is, Trump has been way to quick to accept the Saudi incredulous story line and the fact that the Saudis are investigating a murder their government committed. Trump, in a hurry to act as the crown prince's P.R. man, is ignoring a very important question. Where is the body?

This current crisis involves one of our most important allies in the Middle East, not to mention a huge military contract of which Trump never fails to remind us. You wish to avoid this entire crisis and talk about a President we haven't had in a very long time.

Incredible. Trump supporters are forced to ignore what Trump does. You just proved it.

 

True, but this involves a legal resident of the U.S., a reporter for the Washington Post, has a home in Virginia, and three children who are citizens. This murder was committed by members of the Saudi government, and they are the ones investigating the murder. Now all that doesn't happen every day.

Also, like your Trump friends, you wish to ignore one very important point. This crisis involves a very important ally, an ally who is fighting Iran for supremacy in the region.

 

So do you support Trump in his not so immediate kneejerk response or do you support Iran who has designs on taking over the mid-east?

 

Solid points. Perhaps the October Surprise will be the king cutting of the crown prince. Everyone with a half a brain knows the prince is involved. Even the Saudis admit that it was his people who did the dirty work.

As a consequence, Trump will have to eat his words. He never apologizes for making a mistake. Besides, he has given himself an out. How many times has he said, "It's early. We haven't finished our review."

That is typical Trump. He wants it both ways. First, he says he likes what he hears from the Saudi government. Then he says, not so fast, "We haven't finished our review."

Which is the real Trump? Both. That's SOP for him, always has been.

When is he going to learn to keep his mouth shut? He gets himself into these compromising positions with his big mouth. He is still, after 20 months, inexperienced and incompetent. His fans love him largely because they ignore him. To prove that point, please see posts 3 and 6.

 

And after 20 months the butthurt still continues,
Trump owes nobody an apology. Trump does not have to keep his mouth shut, in fact he needs to continue driving the insane lefties in the DNC further over the cliff. You seem to sit and fret over little things you have no control over and then try to blow them into some sort of manufactured drama. Nothing to see here, move along and let nature take its course. Neither of us, or any on this forum, have any idea what is really going on so maybe best to get back to real issues like Melanias jacket or Trumps hair. Oh, God. Have you forgotten about "the Russians". You remember, they were the spawn of dozens and dozens of threads that guaranteed Trump would be out of office withing 24 hours.
The democrat party has led you astray with minutia pumped at you hourly by CNN and MSNBC.
Instead, enjoy your evening by re-watching one of Trumps rallies. They are a hoot to say the least. If you wish, I can get you a link to each and every one. You pick the state, I am here to serve.

#i am a democrat, just not a democrat party democrat

 

But look....

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...ng-jumps-higher-than-obamas-ahead-of-midterms

 

Lol.... what will lefty say now....

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...ng-jumps-higher-than-obamas-ahead-of-midterms

 

In spite of all the protests from the left. He as not a US citizen or even a permanent resident. He was here on a work permit. The Saudis have mistreated, killed and murdered their citizen for thousands of years including through the Clinton, Bush and Obama presidency's with not much more than a whimper from the left. Now, only because Trump is a president has the left came up with their faux outrage.

As horrible as this is, we can make diplomatic protests and that is about it.

 

Lets look at a hypothetical situation. Lets say a US citizen goes to England to work on a work permit. Then he comes back to the US and gets murdered under similar circumstances by the CIA. What would you expect England to do?

 

BS we can withdraw military support from Saudi and many other punitive actions !!

 

Would the consequences be worth whatever benefit you think would be gained? Also, take a look at my post.

 

Trump acknowledged late Saturday that Saudi Arabia has not been forthcoming in its explanation of what happened to journalist Jamal Khashoggi, but indicated that he does not believe Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman played a direct role in the dissident's killing. "I would love if he wasn’t responsible,” Trump said.

"There is a possibility he found out about it afterward. It could be something in the building went badly awry. It could be that's when he found about it," Trump told The Washington Post in an interview.

Trump continued, “Nobody has told me he’s responsible. Nobody has told me he’s not responsible. We haven’t reached that point."

Once again, Trump simply cannot keep his mouth shut. He is admitting he does not know anything, but he is assuming the crown prince is innocent. That makes no sense. Trump is the only one on the planet who does not know whatever happened to Khashoggi is the responsibility of the crown prince. The people who murdered the Post reporter are a part of the crown prince's circle and they acted on the prince's orders. MBS may not have ordered him killed, but he did order that Khashoggi be picked up and interrogated. If something went wrong, that is the responsibility of MBS. Or, MBS ordered him killed because the reporter was questioning the prince's authority, not a wise course of action for a Saudi.

There is only one way this can end for the Saudi's benefit and ours. The king must remove his son from power. If the king does not do that, a small crisis turns into a huge one, and billions of dollars are at stake.

 

Where is the body?

Where was the prior outrage over decades of Saudi atrocities?

 

The crown prince isnt going anywhere. Theyll stall till it's out of the news cycle and the US wont do anything because were not going to blow up our entire middle east foreign policy because a Saudi citizen was killed by the Saudi government in a Saudi consulate in Turkey.

 

Sure if you're fine with the Iranian theocracy taking over the Arabian peninsula. As I keep trying to point out to people the Middle East is the land of choices that suck. The Saudis are now claiming this was a rogue operation and there is no evidence otherwise as of yet and we likely won't get any evidence besides, perhaps the execution of dome of those involved.

Please note it is quite possible that this was indeed an rogue operation orchestrated by hard line Wahabbists within the Saudi government who hope to rid themselves of their current ruler and his modernist ideas like letting women drive. If that is the case then Graham and company are playing into the hardliners hands and the real question should be why they are doing that?

 

Wheee!

 

So, you are admitting that Trump says crazy things because it is "driving the insane lefties in the DNC further over the cliff." I believe you.

Then we should all keep quite while our President makes a complete fool of himself. He says one thing. Then in the same sentence or para, he contradicts himself.

"Neither of us, or any on this forum, have any idea what is really going on." Speak for yourself. While you are clueless as to what is happening in regard to SA, many of us are aware of what is happening and what is at stake.

Listen and learn.

 

Um . . . those are non starter issues because . . . Trump. Remain focused on the political TARGET . . . Trump! When you look at it that way this entire -- er -- trumped up faux outrage from leftists and their political allies -- our RINOs -- makes perfect sense. It's the chance to give Trump a black eye and that IS . . . the . . . point.

 

1. Trump doesn't have to say anything to drive lefties further over a cliff, he just has to exist to accomplish that goal.
2. Please don't keep quiet. I find you guys to be very entertaining.
3. Trust me, nobody here is fully clued in on the entire mid-east situation and that includes you.

 

Withdrawing military support is very unlikely, but keep something in mind. SA is not fighting Iran in support of the U.S. They are fighting Iran for themselves. The nations are fighting over hegemony of the Middle East. SA is wahhabist, the extreme form of Sunni. Iran is Shi'a.

There is no evidence this was a rogue operation. The people involved in the interrogation of Khashoggi were the prince's people. Where did you get the idea this was a rogue operation?

From Trump?

Early on, Trump said this could have been a rogue operation. Now the Saudis are saying it is a rogue operation. In other words, they are saying they lost control of the situation within their own consulate. They say Khashoggi was killed in a fist fight () in the consulate. Do you really believe that?

If Khashoggi was killed in the consulate in a fist fight, where is the body?

There are all kinds of holes in Trump's rogue theory.